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Hannibal

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Re: European Union will bann Tin figures
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2015, 01:57:39 PM »
or rather gouvernements and industries care more on profit than on safety of human beings!
Michel
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Re: European Union will bann Tin figures
« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2015, 10:54:45 AM »
Really the key behind Tobacco's success is the taxes it generates for the govt.
Obviously they are not making enough money on Lead.
Ray

Hannibal

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Re: European Union will bann Tin figures
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2015, 09:34:39 AM »
 
-----Original Message-----
 From: tbeier-sankt_augustin@t-online.de [mailto:tbeier-sankt_augustin@t-online.de]
 Sent: 19 May 2015 11:01
 To: michelbrasseur@skynet.be
 Subject: AW: Mail von der Klio-Webseite


Dear Mr. Brasseur,

thank you for your mail. KLIO - the German collectors society did already sent a comment to ECHA on the matter (see annex). In adddition to this we gave the news to quite a number of german producers of flats in order to act accordingly.

Kind regards

Thomas Beier
Präsident KLIO

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Betreff: Mail von der Klio-Webseite
Datum: Tue, 19 May 2015 00:32:51 +0200
Von: michelbrasseur@skynet.be
An: tbeier-sankt_augustin@t-online.de

Nachricht von: Michel Brasseur
IMPORTANT and URGENT for action to Brussels European institutions before 11 June 2015 !!

Thank you for your input send to European authorities at Brussels before 11 June 2015 by your company

I think you and other German manufacturers of tin flats should sent comments to European comission befire 11 June 2015 ....!!

http://www.intflatfigures.org/index.php?topic=2098.msg13355;topicseen#new
http://www.leforumlafigurine.com/t14585-interdiction-du-plomb-dans-les-figurines#301199

from Michel Brasseur
Fan of flats in Belgium
 
Michel
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Re: European Union will bann Tin figures
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2015, 09:12:04 AM »
Great Job Nick. So what's the war game people say about this? As for back seat drivers I think we should get combat pay ::)  Willie

Nicholas Ball

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Re: European Union will bann Tin figures
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2015, 08:24:50 AM »
I have just put in an objection/exemption to ECHA on behalf of the British Flat Figure Society as an International organisation :)


Brian

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Re: European Union will bann Tin figures
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2015, 04:09:26 AM »
I have posted a comment to the ECHA asking for tin figures to be exempt from the ban.

Follow Joerg's link and say your piece, BFFS will also have a "say" posted to support an exemption for tin figures later.       

Re: European Union will bann Tin figures
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2015, 07:20:17 PM »
 Its called job security and politicians and people who work for them love it :P  As for lead flying at you I had that happen to me when I was in my twenties in South East Asia  :o  I can not say I did not throw some back.  I call these people thick skulls full of mush :P  and then there are the morons who I believe have united all over the world. Nick I agree on the vehicle statement ::)  Look guys these people look at us as stupid hay seeds and they want to help us it makes them feel good about themselves and they don't understand that I myself do not want there help >:(  You know I meet this young women once who told me that anyone without a PHD could not be a historian or a writer . Well I told her I had two PHDs and her eyes got big and where did I get them from. So I told here they where Post Hole Diggers ::)  and I got them from Home Dep. So Hannibal don't let them get to you feed them hot dogs ???  Now as for the 500 pound female. Will I was out in Yellowstone chasing a female Griz and her cubs to move her to another part of the park. Well my right foot found a Prairie Dog hole always happens when I am chasing females ::) Wille

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Re: European Union will bann Tin figures
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2015, 04:02:18 PM »
vehicles should only be driven from the drivers seat!  tell my wife that, and my Mother-in-Law, she's even more talented, she  drives from the back seat !!!!  :o    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I will knock up something tomorrow and send on behalf of the Society.  :)

Why do some people ( politicians ) make life so complicated?

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Re: European Union will bann Tin figures
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2015, 03:41:23 PM »
Hannibal no worries.


It is always dispiriting when the Government decides to help regulate something you are passionate about, normally for the worst it seems in the modern age.


Here in the US we are famous for things like the warnings - "Ladders should not be moved when occupied" -  "Do not operate blow dryer while in the bath tub" - "Vehicle should only be driven from the drivers seat" to a variety of scary things which are not for internal consumption.  One of the latter is certainly Tin Figures.


Sadly no government seems to realize you cannot legislate safety to morons so hopefully they will find some reasonable middle ground on this. 


mark  8)

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Hannibal

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Re: European Union will bann Tin figures
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2015, 02:45:00 PM »
Sorry for my reaction one hour ago, but human being can also show how stupid he can be on this earth!!  I agree to ban nocive substances if they are proven to be nocive for the community, by facts and figures, and no if other alternative is available.  Labelling can be one way to informe users to avoid mis-use (at least according to laywers only!!)
Cigaret and Tobacco are the first to be banned, but the lobbying of tobacco industry is so rich and powerful that as all human beings are sensitive to corruption, no one is strong and honest enough to say NO to the industry !!.  because Tobacco IS NOCIVE and must be banned.  Cadmium and lead, yes in specific usages and circumstances can be nocive, but they are natural substances, like uranium is, although highly nocive, but not banned.  However we cannot disinfect our obsolete nuclear plants today !!!  Look at Japan !!
The advantage Europa has over USA, in my career in the medical and pharmaceutical industry is that Europe has scientific sounds and thinking, while USA is stupidely focused on paperworks and principles.  So decisions in Europe in these fields have proven to be much better validated and supported.  Just look how OGM's have ben proven to be safe, this is really so poor, non scientifically done and misoriented !!! that I personnally find them very unsafe and dangerous as their safety, never demonstrated by long term studies on immunity, only pushed by industry for profit making. 
Therefore please request for the European people at Brussels to provide all the data making lead in tin figures so nocives to be included as a banned product as said before = number of reported cases of ingestion, poisening, by country, by year, even hospitals, over the past 20 years and not just a theorical thinking in the air, or dream as these people could do in their luxury environnent.  How many cases they have theselve watched, testimonies they have received, complaints, on poisening, deaths, caused by ingestions of flat figures   Question them on what is a tin flat figure even !!!
Science is based on facts and figures, everything else is religion, faith, dreams, hopes, not acceptable here as suppporting argument to setup lawas and restrictions = this is called dictature, nt democracy !!
 
Cadmium and lead are not safe substances, but sugar also is not and any drug, or even natural substances, if used ecxcessively and in uncontrolled conditions.  Adding "Tobacco can kill' on cigaret package is not an excuse for industry t sel cigarets, it is a criminal act !! intended to KILL people against money, but no government would act against this because lobbying spend billions dollars to "buy" the legislaters to accept these poisons.  Tin flats figures don't have the billions euros to spent to corrupt our legislators on the same way, and these legislators ignore even what a flat tin figure is, for what purpose, by who it is used.  They just live in their world, closed, aseptic, reacting only to theory, not to practices.
This what makes me so disappointed and reacting. Sorry but animals don't behave so stupidely !!
Michel
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böckchen

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Re: European Union will bann Tin figures
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2015, 01:11:44 PM »
Yes with such things because I wonder too ....!
These people have had a difficult childhood and she suck a pacifier musten of tin and lead figures? If such a result comes out, who protects us veranwotlich against stupidity some politicians in Brussels?
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Rise of the collector

Attacks in the keyboard your computer and demomtiert, that you even tomorrow and collect tin figures buy Dared.
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best regards
Wolfgang


Hannibal

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Re: European Union will bann Tin figures
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2015, 12:35:04 PM »
C'est scandaleux, car on laisse passer les OGM, les armes, les balles, la cigarette, le tabac, les pesticides sur TOUS nos légumes, on légalise les drogues, on va bientôt nous imposer la viande hyper bourrée de médicaments venant des USA, mais le plomb dans des figurines de collection ??? ? serait nocif pour ingestion par nos enfants ???
Y a t-il des statistiques sur le nombre d'enfants empoisonnés par les plats d'étain dans la communauté européenne? 
Il faut exige la publication de ces faits de leur part, par an, par pays, sur les 25 dernières années pour justifier cette mesure!!!
 
C'est énorme, incroyable.  Ces gens sont des fous à faire enfermer. Ils sont nocifs à notre société et en suivant leurs arguments ils faut donc les interdire et les éliminer aussi?  Ils ne savent même pas ce qu'est une figurine et un plat d'étain !!
Honte à l'Europe
Michel
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Charles

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Re: European Union will bann Tin figures
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2015, 12:01:51 PM »
Willie, I'm intrigued by the 500 pound female you were chasing. That has got my imagination going!!


Brian, yes I think we should send in an objection. It can't do any harm, can it.

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Re: European Union will bann Tin figures
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2015, 10:43:03 AM »
Hello,

we only need some lobbyists in Brussels and then Brian will get a subvention for every mould he let engrave  ;D ;D ;D

Best regards

Michael

Brian

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Re: European Union will bann Tin figures
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2015, 10:18:45 AM »
Anarchist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :D :D :D :D ;)