European Union will bann Tin figures

[willie]

Shades of the 60s Britain's goes from lead to plastic that was a flop.     Look this is nothing new , First of all if you let your rug rats eat the paint on you soldiers or in the house that's your problem not mine I don't need a Nanny state to tell me how to live or for that matter what to paint and what paint to use. You know I amaze my self, that I have lived this long. I have been bucked of horses, kicked by them, various animals have tried to have me for lunch   snake bite, fell off a cliff and chipped my ankle chasing a 500 pound female   As for the military we are not even going there   These people need to get a life   Look you are talking to a guy who has survived 6 women in his life 5 daughters 1 wife and I think I am wining on that front and if you want them I will be glad to send them to you   So now I am going to go drink some Brandy smoke a cigar ride my bike drive my truck and go fly, go to the gun range and shoot and look at beautiful women   If the EU EPA does not like are hobby they will fine something else to cry about    Willie

[Michael_43]

Hello friends of flats,

there are other bad examples from the EU like the banned bulbs or the power reduction of vacuum cleaners.
Then there are plans to prohibit private pet ownership like cats and dogs.
People maintains them since the stone age; but there is a big lobby of the pet industry.

We collectors of flats have not such a big lobby. So I think the BFFS must write a statement against those strange
plans. We don´t want to collect illegal flats of castings outside the EU...

Best regards

Michael

[alfsboy]

I suspect everyone will just ignore it all ......like cellulose paint .Just claim it as a heritage  item .....maybe .I make lead /tin figures and will ignore it completely and if caught will claim senility from lead poisoning  and large usage of cellulose paint 

[errant49]

We BFFS have to do something
Brian please be our speaker
I will see what is going on here in France
Eric

[Brian]

Tell your committee what you as collectors want, follow Klio and press for an exemption on "our" tin figures, or just let them be band and find an alterative material ?

 

[Joerg]

KLIO wrote me as follows
Sie [KLIO] hat dabei auf folgende Gesichtspunkte hingewiesen: Zinnfiguren sind ein Jahrhunderte altes europäisches Kulturgut und dienen seit langem nicht mehr als Spielzeug, sondern als Sammelobjekt, weshalb sie auch nach EU-Recht nicht als Spielzeug gelten. Zinnfiguren benötigen zwingend den Zusatz von Blei, da andernfalls keine Wiedergabe der Reliefgravur möglich ist. Auch für den Fall, dass sie von einem Kleinkind in den Mund genommen werden sollten, besteht keine Gefahr eines anhaltenden Lutschens. Es wird daher beantragt, Zinnfiguren in die Liste der Artikel aufzunehmen, die von der Richtlinie ausgenommen sind.

KLIO pointed to the following: Tin figures are a European means of Culture (Kulturgut) and are since long no toys but collecting items.
Therefore they are no toys according to European regulations.
Tin figures need the addition of lead, otherwise casting of fine engravings is not possible.
Even for the case, that a little infant takes a figure in his/her mouth, a danger of sucking is not given.
Therefore we apply for include tin figures in the list of  articles, that are excludes from the Guideline. 

.... Für den Herausgeber größere Bedeutung hat die Unmöglichkeit, Zinnfiguren anders als mit einer Bleibeimengung gießen zu können. Daher würde eine Untersagung einem faktischen Berufsverbot gleich kommen. Demgegenüber treten für den Herausgeber die kulturhistorischen Aspekte in den Hintergrund. Entscheidend ist jedoch, dass die Forderung gestellt wird, Zinnfiguren nicht mehr unter Ziffer 2.3.1 aufzuführen, sondern diese unter die vom (beabsichtigten) Verbot ausgenommen Artikel unter Ziffer 2.3.2 zu subsumieren.

For editors it is important, that it is impossible to cast tin figures without lead.   Forbidding of lead would be an occupational ban.
(With or without aspects of cultural history).

Crucial is to have tin figures no longer at point 2.3.1 in the list, but in point 2.3.2 (exemptions).


Contact person:

EU:
ECHA EUROPEAN CHEMICALS AGENCY, ANNANKATU 18, P . O . BOX 400, FI - 00121 HELSINKI FINLAND

BRD:
BAuA Bundesanstalt für Arbeitsschutz und Arbeitsmedizin Friedrich-Henkel-Weg 1-25, 44149 Dortmund

Reference:         Draft guideline on the scope of the upcoming amendment of Entry 63 of Annex XVII to REACH on: Lead and its compounds in articles supplied to the general public that can be mouthed by children.
Name:                                 Lead and its compounds
EC Number:                       231-100-4
CAS Number:                    7439-92-1

Following the link

http://echa.europa.eu/addressing-chemicals-of-concern/restriction/calls-for-comments-and-evidence/-/substance-rev/7902/term

you find „give comments“, where you can type your comment directly in a sheet of hearing ECHA .




(all humble translation by me. I am sure, there are members, who could easily correct my mistakes.)
Joerg

[Brian]

Well what can I say, Klio has shown the way so we have to support with a statement from the BFFS 

 

[errant49]

I often wonder why these people from the EEC loose their time with such questions
Don't they have anything else to do ?
How can we act against this stupidity ?
Eric

[Joerg]

Dear friends,

last year paint with cadmium, this year tin figures in general:
Our Big Nurses plan to save us from our beloved wasting of time....

More precise:
EU plans to forbid use of lead in any products, that may could come in the mouths of little children.
By now tin figures are not on the list of excemptions (angling supplies or diving belts are)

If we will not succeed in bringing tin figures on that list, we can come in troubled sea.....

just for explanation:
Casting flat tin figures without lead is not possible at all. (Well, perhaps it is, but then your figure will break with the slightest bending ..) 

KLIO has made her statement by now; I think I will do so separately.
Time for statement runs out by June 11.

Regards
Joerg