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Hannibal

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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2015, 01:29:53 PM »
Thank you Eric,
I have now plenty of infos, and have just to convert the piece of spear into either a shrt spear with a point, ou extend it with a banner, or étendard...  And I discover Oldhafer to complete this stand alone flat by a few more.
 
I have several more hoplites and warriors, also Assyrian warriors, to be able to build some dioramas...in the coming year.... and I discovered a new piece of History!
Nice hobby!!
Michel
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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2015, 01:09:50 PM »
Hallo Eric,

thank you for sharing. I only know the Oldhafer plates of the 80´s painted by Martin Block.

Best regards
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Michael

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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2015, 11:57:47 AM »
Here are four watercolors from WILKE showing Pancerni horsemen
Eric

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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2015, 10:39:40 AM »
Hallo Michel,

I think it´s interesting to deal with unusual themes like the polish army in the 17th century,
when they helped europe at the second siege of vienna 1683 against the Ottomans.
I plan a diorama with the Mignot staff and some Ochel figures in front of a monastery
in Austria 1683. They are waiting in a box for colors because I´ve got too many ideas for Dioramas.
My Robin Hood is still waiting, too.

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Michael

Hannibal

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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2015, 09:58:59 AM »
To Michael:
I could eventually put my g-hands on teh Osprey 184 = a whole section is dedicated to the Pancerni.  I believe his is the character, a Pancernu Cossaks, either Polish or Lithuanian from the XVII C. 
I will make some thinking wether it would be equipped with a spear alone, or a flag, and put on painting within two weeks.  I dscover a new era of the Polish history I was not quiet familiar, betwwen the Cossaks ad the Hussars, very rich in battles, uniforms, battles, and successes.
Thanks again for all your supports..... it makes the world the size of an Oyster; with many positive communications, thanks to a hobby, so fa away from politics, wars and money... My new task is Robin Hood now...
Michel
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JerryMort

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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2015, 07:45:33 AM »
Willie - don't know if the plates are available. I picked them up years ago when I was trying to collect the Mignot Sobieski figures. Still only have half the set.
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Hannibal

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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2015, 04:53:11 AM »
Dear Willie, Jerry, Michael and Gerhard,
Many thanks for this impressive documentation !!!!!!!!!!   I could not believe it..........
Actually this flat second hand seems to be edited quiet some time ago, therefore the interest. It seems indeed o be a Polish panceri, and the Oldhafer Polish serie,P23 to P44 seems indeed to be very close to this one.
I found a ling to currnet remaking of clothes from that period as http://www.polishhussarsupply.com/Pancerni.html  for th Panceri too, for example this strange steel disc top to the misurka mail helmet, typical of the pancerni cossaks and present on the flat.
I don't have access to the Ospreys 184/188, but your example, and the doc in Oldhafer, combined with pictures for colouring, from above reference an on internet, should be suffisent, I think, to proceed to a painting plan.
I may only have to make some minor conversion to the straight lance without point, to make one, with or without a small flag, before proceeding to painting.
I have some other painting works planned, but it will be a pleasure later to post its painting on the forum, as a thank for our kind and efficient support.  The pleasure is also as I did for the hoplites and the ECW Dragoon is to expand a bit to the history aspect of the characters, letting us discover some unfamilar sides of our History and origins.
The roughness of the equipment let suggest it would be from the early period of these Cossacks, XVI to XVIIth C rather than later, although from the nobility.
 
Michel
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2015, 06:21:27 PM »
Hi its me again sorry but I forgot about this book witch I think is going to help . Many moons ago I was at a military modeling show. I noticed this book and I knew I wanted it 8)  I did not go back and get it but picked it up from On Military Matters. The Battle of Kulikov 1380 AD by A Scherbakov. printed in Russia By ExPrint Moscow 2001 . The art work is outstanding and lots of drawings on Armor and weapons. There where others in this series but I do not know the Battles. Also they have a English translation in this one. Sad part is I have not seen any more them since 01.I wish they would rerun them again Willie

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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2015, 06:04:02 PM »
Jerry where does one pick up those set of plates .As for the polish no big deal I have books in Russian, Finish ,Danish, Hungarian Chines Japanese Romanian  Willie

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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2015, 04:20:36 PM »
Ok after looking at Osprey 184 I found a B/W photo  on page 24  of a pancerni  cavalry men. It stated that this was war booty taken in the east and produced in work shops in Poland.. On page 33 a misiurka a Eastern mail helmet.  So you can take your pick Poland Russia, Hungary Turkish Mamluks welcome to the wonderful world of Medieval Eastern Armor . Man At Arms #222 the Age of Tamerlane . More to come  Willie

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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2015, 02:28:33 PM »
There is also a nice set of plates by Bohdan Wroblewski - Wojsko Polski W Dobie Krola Jana III, the army of Jan III Sobieski. This is the Pancerni. Only problem is it is all in Polish. My dad could understand some of it but he ain't here any more.
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2015, 01:35:53 PM »
Hallo friends of flats,

There a a lot of nice figures of the polish army at www.zinnfiguren-oldhafer.de .
Mignot and Ochel produced some, too.

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Michael

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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2015, 01:01:01 PM »
Hallo Michel,
I think the figure is a polish Pancerny, too.
Maybe the editor is Wolfgang Unger; design and engraving by Werner Otto; Pau=Paukenwagen of "August dem Starken".
He was king of Sachsen and Polen; his artillery had a "Paukenwagen" 1730. The polish soldiers had old uniforms.
Ochel edited this "Paukenwagen" several years ago, too.

There are two small Osprey-journals men at arms 184 and 188 about the polish army with nice paintings.
Books about the army of August II. are available at Berliner Zinnfiguren.

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Michael

 

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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2015, 11:20:21 AM »
Hello Hannibal
Looks like a polish Pancerny
17th Century

Hannibal

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2015, 10:20:15 AM »
Thanks Willlie, if you can find.  After polishing, another picture..
Michel
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