The Arthur Series

[errant49]

Hi all


I do prefer the second version
A small change must be made as shown on the right attached drawing : the back line of the stair must come BEHIND the bishop's feet
About the sizes of Gueniver and the bishop there is mo problem because Gueniver stands on a lower stair than the bishop
To conclude I think we 've got it !


Thanks to Nick for this nice continuing project


Eric

[Hannibal]

I do prefer the drawing of version 2 for the following reasons:
1: drawing of the hair, face and clothing of the Lady is better, face is more friendly, hair less static
2. Sword hanging a bit inclined is giving a feeling of movement, when vertical, more static.
3. They look both better eyes-to-eyes, when in version 1, the Lady was more watching the priester


BUT:
1. the slight turn of Arthur (anf change of the sword inclination) gives a feeling of movement, like Arthur was on leaving her Lady and talking to her like 'sorry my dear I have an urgent request to handle, will be back in a few minutes'
2. I have the feeling that the size of Arthur in version 2 is larger, taller than version 1, as he was upfront the other two characters (as he was one step lower on the starit than where he stands now)
3. One way to compensate is to enlarge the size of the Lady a bit to give her equal attention and not this feeling of Arthur leavng them two
Also now, the Lady ssems to have the same sie as the priester behind when he should be really behind, therefore a bit smaller ( distance larger than now)....
4. Other way if one consider that moman did not wear 'haut talons' in the middel age, and a woman must be smaller than a man, is to make the priester smaller, to increase his distance a bit towards the two characters upfront.


This is a subtile feeling, but the relative size of the characters seems important to locate their spatial position !!


Have one or two drawings for testing this before final decision, I think.


M.

[willie]

 I like it very much   Willie

[Nicholas Ball]

Hi all,

Had a slight redraw on the figures, as I didn’t think the side on view was the best. Therefore Sascha has twisted the front figures so they draw your eye into the scene. A little difference but what do you think?

[Hannibal]

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[Ed Humphreys]

Yes, Michel. My wife's father was Don Corleone Jones.

[Nicholas Ball]

Patrick, we technically used the idea from the last photo you posted, but we didn’t like Arthur’s clothing. To be in line with the period we have set the series in ( Anglo Saxon/ Viking ) medival armour would not work. I think we need the Bishop to show its a wedding, not just a common day in the life of Arthur, however I will ask Sascha to twist both Arthur and Guinevere to face more 3/4 view forward, this may look better🍻

Nick

[Hannibal]

Did you fear your future step family so much Ed ?

[Ed Humphreys]

A man would hardly wear armour to his own wedding, unless he was marrying into a particularly violent family. Mind you, I did wear bulletproof underpants.............

[Hannibal]

OK Eric, I did not not correctly expressed myself ...
On a 28, 30, or 54mm, it is possible reasonnably to change the lips from closed lips neutral, to a smile, or open mouth, by abrasing the mouth, sanding flat and painting another expression, like a painter on a canvas or paper.  It require a bit skills and patience. 


I am totally with you, and agree that on large size, such as busts, although possible, it requires more sculpturing skills to give also some shape and volume, unvisible in smaller scales, but detectable on a larger face....


It is common to remove heraldics on shields of 30 mm knights to paint them directly, or change the coat of arms; the same applies to the face, years, hair too.

[errant49]

I do not agree with you Michel
It is not so easy to change an engraved face just by painting
And the bigger is the scale the more difficult it is
Eric

[Hannibal]

The clergy should be painted darker as his plan is behind the two characters, this is how to reduce his importance.


Giving a smile of not is a matter of the painter, whether romantic, or serious, or afraid, or laughing ...
Same for Arthur = I presume he was not the old long beard aged he will be , but the young, impetuous knight, in love of his Lady; again fial tone can be given by the painter.


I am not that good to correctly bring these nuances, but every one can give his interpretation to the scene....In a 54 mm size, the face is not that large, and lips and eyes can be faded and repainted as wished, with the interpretation best suited by the painter, to avoid having too many times the same and identical expression...

[PJDeluhery]

It's ok but uninspiring. The Clergy should not be the center of attention but the couple. I think the choice is between "martial"  and "romantic." Personally I like the romantic idea.

Here's some examples: The top ones are more romantic; the lower ones more martial. My favorite would be the shot from Excalibur with focus on the couple and the cup symbolizing the clergy and the ceremony.

[archigrog]

I'm agree with Erich!
and perhaps someting more "martial" for Arthur could improve contrast.


all the best, stay healthy and safe,


claudio

[errant49]

Good new, Nick !
I was waiting for that
Sascha drawing is good
I just think that he could make Guenivere more smiling; I know he can easily arrange that
I will now wait for the figure !
All the best
Eric