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Flat Figures Painters Forum => Notice Board => Topic started by: Nicholas Ball on October 07, 2021, 04:06:19 PM
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Hi all,
Having finally been able to get a bit of time off, I’ve managed to get back to organising more important stuff like arranging the next Arthur figure.
This figure is of the marriage of King Arthur to Guinivere ( Gwenhwyvar )
Below is a design and drawing by Sascha. Having spoken to a Ed and a few members, we think it is quite good, however it would be nice to see if other members like it to🙂
I hope everyone is well and keeping safe- I am also trying to arrange a date for the AGM early next year. Hopefully by then, all will be a lot better pandemic wise.
Nicholas
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I register on the waiting list to paint one!!!
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Thanks Michel, 🙂
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Good new, Nick !
I was waiting for that
Sascha drawing is good
I just think that he could make Guenivere more smiling; I know he can easily arrange that
I will now wait for the figure !
All the best
Eric
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I'm agree with Erich!
and perhaps someting more "martial" for Arthur could improve contrast.
all the best, stay healthy and safe,
claudio
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It's ok but uninspiring. The Clergy should not be the center of attention but the couple. I think the choice is between "martial" and "romantic." Personally I like the romantic idea.
Here's some examples: The top ones are more romantic; the lower ones more martial. My favorite would be the shot from Excalibur with focus on the couple and the cup symbolizing the clergy and the ceremony.
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The clergy should be painted darker as his plan is behind the two characters, this is how to reduce his importance.
Giving a smile of not is a matter of the painter, whether romantic, or serious, or afraid, or laughing ...
Same for Arthur = I presume he was not the old long beard aged he will be , but the young, impetuous knight, in love of his Lady; again fial tone can be given by the painter.
I am not that good to correctly bring these nuances, but every one can give his interpretation to the scene....In a 54 mm size, the face is not that large, and lips and eyes can be faded and repainted as wished, with the interpretation best suited by the painter, to avoid having too many times the same and identical expression...
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I do not agree with you Michel
It is not so easy to change an engraved face just by painting
And the bigger is the scale the more difficult it is
Eric
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OK Eric, I did not not correctly expressed myself ...
On a 28, 30, or 54mm, it is possible reasonnably to change the lips from closed lips neutral, to a smile, or open mouth, by abrasing the mouth, sanding flat and painting another expression, like a painter on a canvas or paper. It require a bit skills and patience.
I am totally with you, and agree that on large size, such as busts, although possible, it requires more sculpturing skills to give also some shape and volume, unvisible in smaller scales, but detectable on a larger face....
It is common to remove heraldics on shields of 30 mm knights to paint them directly, or change the coat of arms; the same applies to the face, years, hair too.
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A man would hardly wear armour to his own wedding, unless he was marrying into a particularly violent family. Mind you, I did wear bulletproof underpants.............
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Did you fear your future step family so much Ed ?
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Patrick, we technically used the idea from the last photo you posted, but we didn’t like Arthur’s clothing. To be in line with the period we have set the series in ( Anglo Saxon/ Viking ) medival armour would not work. I think we need the Bishop to show its a wedding, not just a common day in the life of Arthur, however I will ask Sascha to twist both Arthur and Guinevere to face more 3/4 view forward, this may look better🍻
Nick
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Yes, Michel. My wife's father was Don Corleone Jones.
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. ;) :D :D :D :D :D
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Hi all,
Had a slight redraw on the figures, as I didn’t think the side on view was the best. Therefore Sascha has twisted the front figures so they draw your eye into the scene. A little difference but what do you think?
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I like it very much 8) Willie
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I do prefer the drawing of version 2 for the following reasons:
1: drawing of the hair, face and clothing of the Lady is better, face is more friendly, hair less static
2. Sword hanging a bit inclined is giving a feeling of movement, when vertical, more static.
3. They look both better eyes-to-eyes, when in version 1, the Lady was more watching the priester
BUT:
1. the slight turn of Arthur (anf change of the sword inclination) gives a feeling of movement, like Arthur was on leaving her Lady and talking to her like 'sorry my dear I have an urgent request to handle, will be back in a few minutes'
2. I have the feeling that the size of Arthur in version 2 is larger, taller than version 1, as he was upfront the other two characters (as he was one step lower on the starit than where he stands now)
3. One way to compensate is to enlarge the size of the Lady a bit to give her equal attention and not this feeling of Arthur leavng them two
Also now, the Lady ssems to have the same sie as the priester behind when he should be really behind, therefore a bit smaller ( distance larger than now)....
4. Other way if one consider that moman did not wear 'haut talons' in the middel age, and a woman must be smaller than a man, is to make the priester smaller, to increase his distance a bit towards the two characters upfront.
This is a subtile feeling, but the relative size of the characters seems important to locate their spatial position !!
Have one or two drawings for testing this before final decision, I think.
M.
(https://i87.servimg.com/u/f87/19/31/59/25/45258810.jpg)
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Hi all
I do prefer the second version
A small change must be made as shown on the right attached drawing : the back line of the stair must come BEHIND the bishop's feet
About the sizes of Gueniver and the bishop there is mo problem because Gueniver stands on a lower stair than the bishop
To conclude I think we 've got it !
Thanks to Nick for this nice continuing project
Eric
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The draing did not appear !
Here it is
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One more thing
I just noticed that there is a small line missing at the rignt, on the upper stair, as shown
Eric
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Thanks for the feed back young men especially Michel 🙂.
The time period is earlier than Medival, more Saxon/ Viking. I must admit maybe setting Arthur in the Medival period would have given him more scope especially with the range of Armour we could have used throughout the whole series, but the clothing worked so well in the Sword in the stone and the Lady of the lake.
Personally I don’t get the feeling of Arthur running away, as his top foot is firmly facing Guinevere as is his head, but the angles of the bodies do work better than the first drawing, especially for when it comes to the painting of it. Guinevere is slightly smaller but this reflects the period. With regards the sword, as his front leg has now twisted forward, his knee is now pushing against the scabbard so angling it slightly. The Archbishop is quite a lot smaller than Arthur, but I think it is the perspective of his hat that gives the illusion of super height.
Thanks Eric, well caught on the step, it makes all the difference. If everyone is happy-ish with this version, I will send this revised drawing to Sascha 🙂
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Put me down as "happy-ish." The #2 drawing is better, but still too much of a side view, looks like it's catching them in the act of turning away from the Bishop.
One problem is the hands - if they're holding hands in that way, they have to be facing each other - which translates into a side view of the couple. This detracts from them as the subject of the scene.
I would prefer a frontal view with the couple holding hands, descending the stairs - maybe after the ceremony, and priest in the middle seen in the background - maybe with a hand raised giving the blessing.
I think the scene should be romantic, and this just doesn't do it for me. Too much Bishop; not enough of the main characters. I think the gown on Gwen is better in #2.
Sorry to be a PITA, but that's my opinion. ::)
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I feel ready to paint version 2, and would privilege the situation of sharing their engagement rather than stepping down after the event.
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Hi all,
the figures are drawn in a frontal position, legs and bodies have no perspective. So, the focal point of the stairs must be as low as possible. I enclose pictures with two positions of a focal point. The figure of a priest should be moved to the left to avoid strange connections marked by a circle. I hope this will give a little help.
Oleg
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Brillant !
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Hi all,
Sent revised drawings and remarks to Sascha and I think we have a pretty decent figure ( as below ). Any further comment is welcome🙂
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Sic !
Excellent idea to extend the floor of the priester deeper than initially !!
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That's it!
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GOOD !
Eric
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Well done!
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Very nice well done to all.
John
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Hi all,
This is now finalised and Daniel Lepeltier will be engraving it around March time next year.
Nicholas
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SUPER JOB !!!
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Hi all,
Good news, I have received from Daniel the new figure for the Arthur series- The Marriage of Arthur.
I will speak to Benedict and hope he agrees again to cast the figures for us, if so there may be some available during and after the world expo at the beginning of July. If not then I shall get them for Kulmbach.
I hope you like it🙂. Nicholas
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It is superb !!!!
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Good new and thanks to you Nick for managing that
I just have a small disappointment with Guenivere face which iseems a little prognathous
Eric
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Hi Eric,
The lower jaw has a bit of a bump which won’t take much to scrape it back, also the mouth and lower jaw needs a little excess of the metal removed with a knife to give it a better shape. The lighting on the photo does exaggerate the problem a bit too. Now it’s engraved if Daniel corrected it by removing more metal I think it would only make it worse.
I could actually correct the castings before they are sold😃
Thanks for the feedback from both you and Michel👍
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yes, some personal adjustments can be done, at worse flattened, and by painting (trompe-l'oeil), be changed as it would be done on a flat plastic card, or canevas...
Thanks Nick for your gentle advise.
I won't be at the World Expo, but will ask Alain Moerman to go and see you to get one as I am in Turkey and hope to be back to Belgium in Au-gust or September to paint it ...
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If I get them Michel I will give it to Alain as asked🙂
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Great looking figure! Thanks for your work on this, Nick.
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Thanks Patrick,
Going to be interesting to see the different colour schemes🙂
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Very nice figure!
BG Christian
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Looking good guys, well done Nick
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Hello Nick
Will the figure be available at Kulmbach ?
If yes, keep one for me
Thanks
Eric
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I've asked also to get one; If Alain Moerman goes to Kulmback, he will come for me, as I am staying in Turkey in August ...
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Hopefully Benedict will have been able to cast some for Kulmbach, but metal prices have gone up considerably so I’m not yet sure.🙂
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If you love, you do not count !
I will be OK to pay the right price
See you soon
Eric
PS I will have a box for you
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same!!!
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Any Kulmbach "leftovers" available for the rest of us? Price is not a big concern.
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And a bit of paint ;)
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Waouuwww! You are the first to show a painted interpretation!.
After the shows of Vieux Condé and Sèvres, and one week in Les Landes near the coast of Spain, I have my paintings still packed from my return from Turkey, but this is one of the projects to be started in Winter!
My congratulations Brian ! ( and thanks for some excellent ideas...)
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Could not leave Brian alone
Here is my first go on the figure
Tomorrow the end
The figure is a little "heavy", faces could have been more expressive and delicate, the hands are rather rough
But in the whole it is not desagreable to paint and it lets the painter free
Try it !
Eric
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Ah, just back from my trip to the South of France, Les Landes, and San Sebatsian in Spain.
I am also geeting fromAlain the BFF$SS flat that he got from BFSSS in Kulmbach last summer, to plan it in the coming weeks for painting !!!
Bravo, somer versions begin to appear ...
M
(I'm working of the photos from Sèvres show ....
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Brian,
Your photo has disappeared!
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Beautiful, Eric, as usual, but the white dress for the wedding was white only at the time of Queen Victoria, I believe, much later that in the Middle Age.
I am going to make a bit more search in History to find a more historical dressing... although this serie deals with Legends, allwoing more freedom ...
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Fantasy is fantasy !
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Nice work, Eric. Any way this piece will be available to members who did not go to Kulmbach? :D
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here's the photo again ::)
Nick is the man to ask about the figure, but if there's a problem I got some here I could get out to you :)
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Thanks Brian !
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Obviousely, this flat seems to be originated from:
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Finished !
Eric
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Bravo Eric !
As usual, a lot of life and light in your painting.
The only small remark is the grey colour of the stair steps, and its fresh shiny finish, which looks more like being made of modern beton, than stones or a carpet of the Middle Age ...
Your background tone fits perfectly the presentation of your flats now; I should be looking at some similar tones, to vary with the black velvet. White is defitively to avoid as killing the lights of the painting itself.
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I'm sure Nick has his finger on it but you guy's are getting the figure, as only seen Eric's and mine painted ???
And well good it is me old mate ;D [size=78%] [/size]