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Flat Figures Painters Forum => Figure Identification/Search => Topic started by: snagy on April 23, 2015, 01:09:48 PM
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Friends,
recently I got a beautiful set of more than 20 Scholtz figures of Napoleon's great winter retreat. (a set of two figures is attached below)
Any source of the painting scheme would be warm welcome!
Thank you!
(in this era this would be my first attempt - since till I was beloved in the middle age and TYW-period - but these figures were so beautiful, that I could not resist to buy them.)
Best regards-
sandor
(http://thumbnails106.imagebam.com/40544/6f43ad405434143.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/6f43ad405434143)
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There are some pictures in the Douchkine book of Alexander Baden and on his homepage (look at links).
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Sandor,
If you would like to paint Napoleonics (and who doesn't!), far and away the best uniform source are the Rousselot plates. The plates are now sadly out of print, however Andrea Miniatures a few years ago published a book with all the Napoleonic uniform plates within. This book will cover almost every question you may have.
Bear in mind that during the retreat, uniforms quickly became tattered and essentially looked nothing like the figure would look in full dress. On top of this, the retreating army used blankets, sheets, and anything else they could scrounge to help protect themselves from the elements. You're pretty much free to use artistic license to paint any blankets, etc on the figures, but I would at the least, stick with the actual uniform color of the soldiers themselves, painted suitably soiled with mud/dirt and weathered accordingly.
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Thank you for the advises, Friends!! :D
Best regards-
sandor
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So, who ever is keen of
http://www.zinnfigur.com/product_info.php?products_id=10082710&sort=1d&ID=1353&language=en&osCsid=q3jf2vqdkps11j3971eg71mch5
Regards
Joerg
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These figures do seem to show up quite a bit but, not too many painted examples. Odd as Alexander Baden's site shows they do paint up beautifully.
They also seem spot on in terms of design - an army falling apart in extreme circumstances.
I look forward to seeing yours Sandor.
mark 8)
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Barry is quite right in what he was saying, the retreating army appear to have used any clothing they could get hold off, including many priceless furnishings and tapestries from the great houses of Moscow, so you can pretty well run riot on the uniforms. Very few of the regiments had any real semblance of uniform.
If you want a source for Napoleonic figures try the web site miniatures militares alfons cavovas, this has hundred of napoleonic uniforms, just need to search.
Kindest regards
Robert
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Robert, is this the site you're referring to? http://miniaturasmilitaresalfonscanovas.blogspot.com/
If so, you'd better grab your favorite adult libation; it's gonna be a long web session...
Glen
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Dear Sandor,
here are some more Douchkine-painted figures of this set I didn´t publish yet. They are - sadly - not of my collection.
Alexander
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Hello Glen,
That is the one.
I spent several months working through that site and in fact wore out the printing head of my machine just copying the Boissellier works.
Excellent research site for the Napoleonic fan.
One of Henri Archard works on the Polish army during the Napoleonic wars came up for sale on E bay recently and sadly I dropped out around the 290 mark but it would have been a good thing to see.
Kindest regards
Robert
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Thank you all for the many valuable contributions, Friends.
I have almost completed the first mounted figure - I shall come back with the photo soon.
This website of Canovas is really an amazing treasury of information - I haven't known it previously.
I am also grateful for the picture of the Douchkine-painted figures, that was given by Alexander!! ;D
Thank you once again.
Best regards-
sandor
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I do not want to spoil this thread,
but if there is an interest in "The longest Retreat" (around 4 metres) I would try to get some picture for illustration.
Some collector friends here in my region exhibit it in their little museum.
Regards
Joerg
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Hello Joerg,
it´s always interesting to see pictures of other ideas and dioramas.
Best regards
Michael
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I have seen a huge long diorama of the retreat many years ago .it must have been at a Kulmbach .The crossing of the Berezina was very impressive from memory ..I also did a small diorama for Under Two Flags shop ,some of the first flats I ever painted though hardly to a connoisseur standard .It was really these figures that really made me prefer flats to round .They had such life and action and good anatomy ,something often lacking in larger figures at the time .As soon as I have chopped down the pile of half painted flats I will order some .Always on my list but never actually ordered .
Martin
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So, it'S me again.
With the photographic report from "The world's longest retraite 182" In the little Zinnfigurenmuseum in Burg near Magdeburg.
Lenght around 4 metres.
(Thanks to Gerald for providing the pictures).
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Part Two
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Hello Joerg,
Wow !!! Thank you for sharing. How many painters worked together for this diorama ?
Best regards
Michael
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Top notch Mate, banging, far out and well good.
( a bit of broad English speak there from London-- especially for Charles. hahaha )
Translated Joerg-- Very nice, a lot of hard work there. Well Done to all involved
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Yes, it is a first rate diorama in all aspects. Great sense of drama to it with lots and lots of little sub-plots and stories through out. I could see someone making new discoveries every time they examined it.
Oh to have that much space ... (From one who once embarked on a 1/72 scale medieval cathedral building project that would have fit on a three foot bookshelf.) I have always loved a good diorama.
mark 8)
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After working more than 30 years with the various communities in our capital city, I understood your use of the vernacular, Nick. Though I ought to point out the use of the capital M in mate was erroneous !!
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Really excellent contribution for my project, Jöerg, thank you!
I have completed sofar two mounted figures (in almost 3 weeks) so I can imagine how much work and effort should have been applied in the creation. Also the diorama work is first rate...
At least I can see the potential in my project - my "dio" of two horsemen is about 8 cm at present... arranged in one single line ... (hehe-hehe... ;D )
Best regards-
sandor
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Really cool scene! Take some more pics, and if possible a few random close ups. I really like the way that the creators have incorporated the backdrop into the scene. Joy to look at, thanks for posting!
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Friends,
here are a few figures from the long retreat line.
(http://thumbnails107.imagebam.com/41292/265663412912806.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/265663412912806) (http://thumbnails108.imagebam.com/41292/09a8fb412912837.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/09a8fb412912837) (http://thumbnails107.imagebam.com/41292/f79f74412912872.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/f79f74412912872) (http://thumbnails105.imagebam.com/41292/827e31412912897.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/827e31412912897)
In the meantime I realized that I wrote the editor's name wrong: so correctly it is Scholtz.
Sorry for that.
Best regards-
sandor