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Flat Figures Painters Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: Brian on July 02, 2014, 03:43:24 AM
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After the success of the last painting project we're thinking of having a go again, figures will again be 30mm and from Wolfgang Bock's catalogue but this time we're looking at the Thirty Year War set.
The idea at the moment is for those who want to take part are given one of the four figures shown bellow, you paint it and return the figure to be mounted with your name and displayed at show and on the forum.
So who would like to be part of this new project?
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Great idea! Count me in. This is a subject I'm a fan of and I've painted a few of Wolfgang's TYW figs but not these ones. They are very nice figs. and there's plenty of freedom regarding colour choices.
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I am in
Eric
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Count me in too.
Bernt
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Me also.
mark 8)
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Well, if there any foot figures, I'd jump right in. Horses, however, are not my forte...
Were there any pinups in the TYW? ::)
Glen
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For the first first from me a big thank you for your trust.
Unfortunately, it has unfortunately not worked with the return of the figures on Brain as we thought ds.
Thus, this club respectable men could not all the characters in the shows be präsend to show color ..
How Brain already wrote, the success speaks for itself dennoc, we are well on the way.
Thus, the selected figures number is also diemal offer you are. And I will again sponsor the figures.
OUR MISSION! "Kulmbach 2015"
I wish all participants much fun when succeed. ;) ;) ;)
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Just a reminder this is for all not just BFFS members, you get a figure to paint for free ;) but it must be returned so it can be mounted.
So a free figure to paint and you have a year to do it!! what you waiting for put your name down ;D
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One for me, please. :)
Erich
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Well, I suppose I have to learn how to paint a horse. I'm willing to do it if you want to send me one. Painting refs (interweb links are fine) would be helpful as well since I don't have any refs for that period of European history.
Glen
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Well that's 10 already, and Glen horses are easy ::) it's just getting them right that's the hard part ;)
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Hi Brian,
Can you include me on the list.
Thanks
John
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Hallo,
I like painting a hourse for the painting project, too.
best regards
michael_43
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lovely figures. Please count me in
Brian
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Well that's 10 already, and Glen horses are easy ::) it's just getting them right that's the hard part ;)
Oh well... Silly me. Had I but known...
Been bouncing around Google images of the TYW. Browns and tans seem to be the dominant color for people. Brown for horses.
Brown, brown, and more brown.
Are you sure there weren't any pinup babes in the TYW!? ;D
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To quote myself try:
http://www.riorondo.com (http://www.riorondo.com)
They have pictures of all of the major types and groups of horses with quite a lot of variation as you will see.
mark 8)
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Thanks Marko, but I've already seen this site as well as a myriad other pics from the googlenet. I don't lack for reference material on any color of horse; it's the execution that's got me worried. Must uphold the standards, y'know. ;)
Glen
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Ok anyone else want to join in? we will start with two lots, first for the guys on the forum then the Journal lot get to have a go this time as well ;D
So far we have 15 joining us from the forum so if you want to take part just let us know and we can get it started ;)
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Ok, we're going to start. I'll be getting the figures in a week or two to send out to those who want to take part. Same conditions as last time, receive your figure, paint it and return. Ask any questions on the forum so that we can all join in with your painting of the figure. We'll let you all know when they're in the post and remember it's not too late to join in if you haven't already.
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Standing by...
If possible, I would like one of the pieces where the rider is wearing the helmet - GO 1805 or 1807. I plan on buffing the metal and oil staining it rather using straight paint. Otherwise, basic browns for the horse and tack; browns, tans, and greys for the figures. If I understand my research correctly, nearly all of the participants had similar clothing, weapons, and equipment. How did they tell each other apart - colored feathers, armbands, etc.?
Cheers,
Glen
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Well ... why not Brian, please send me a figure. Questions ... are there any expectations that we should paint both sides? Or will you be happy with only one side painted, the one shown on the page, the figures going to the left?
Jan
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Jan if you want to paint both sides that's fine, but only one will be shown and I'll let you all decide which way you want your figure to face ;D ;)
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Hello friends it's time.
The first figures were today sent by me on their way to England.
Brain will then handling on.
Is the Christmas ... already today? HA, HA, HA :o :o :o
I wish you all take the challenge, good luck and have fun. :) :) :) :)
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As Wolfgang said there on their way, if you did not take part last time pm me your address so I can get the figure to you ;D ;)
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Figures have arrived safe and sound, big thanks Wolfgang, so now it time to send them out to you guys!!
If you think I don't have your address get it to me ;)
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O.K.
Well, as some of his are already looking forward by the postman one of the four types
to obtain.
I have taken between past the brush and oil colors in his hand.
Here is my project figure of the painting board 8) 8)
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Now that looks good!! wonder who will post the next finished figure?
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looking good ;)
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The figure for the painting Project has arrived today.
Tomorrow I´ll start.
Thank´s for a lot of fun...
Michael
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Hi Brian,
Figure arrived today, it's a very nice figure thanks.
John
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Today I cutted the figure with a scalpel, closed the holes with Andrea Sculp and
primed it with white enamel paint from Revell. Here the first photo:
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I'm still waiting for mine. :(
Glen
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Got my figure :) :)
Eric
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I'm still waiting for mine, and I only live 40 minutes away from him :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I suppose as the main post office is now in Scotland, as all the others are closing, its got to go 700 miles up north to come 700 miles back down again!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Though never agreed to it -got mine yesterday.
I think, it's the usual way with the organiser ;)
Joerg
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My piece has arrived. Starting cleanup...
Glen
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Good to hear the guys are getting there ;D looking forward to seeing how you all get on, keep us posted ;)
Joerg, being a good mate I though you would like to have a go :)
Nick and a few of the committee members I have not sent you a figure, now when I get the ACW project figures back then maybe I'll let you play :D
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:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P RASPBERRRRRIES!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Brian, haven't you seen the ACW figures I posted the other day? :o
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Then I was the second one to have painted one of the figures. Still attached to the sockel. A little odd thing about the horse´s leg movment ... he is an ambler ... a rather rare thing.
When dried up I will send it to you Brian.
Jan
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Great looking figures and love the horse!
I have not received my figure yet here in the Pacific Northwest...
mark 8)
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Well done, Jan! You've painted the sleeve with blue stripes; I was interpreting it as segmented armor, so I guess I need to do some more research.
What is an 'ambler' and why is it rare?
Cheers,
Glen
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Well Glen, an ambler is a horse that moves its legs like a camel, same side at the same time.
Jan
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Quick and nice painting Jan
Here is my first step
Eric
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Well, two down and one on the way! well done guys and I better get on with one!! Mark it's in the post ;)
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This is how I started the painting.
Bernt
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Just arrived home this evening from sea and mine was waiting for me. Thanks very much Wolfgang & Brian. Nice work on the ones posted so far. I have some catching up to do but first there is the small matter of our annual holiday in the sun and then I will get to it.
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I've made some progress! Faces, hair, hat, and arms...
Glen
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Look at this! the project is moving on at a good pace ;D well done guys ;)
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A little more paint on my figure.
Bernt
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Started too
Erich
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Good start Eric and interestingly your painting process is identical to what I have done so far and in the same stages.
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Roger,
I try to avoid painting areas side by side. If anything goes wrong, and mostly does, it is easier for me
to remove the colour from the wrong area if the ground has dried. Painting for me is a very slow thing,
needs much waiting time for drying, but I have learned that impatience is not good.
I am not able to paint such a figure wet in wet in a shorter time like some other painters can do.
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Last progresses
Colors blocked on the back rider then highlighted and shadowed
Eric
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The second rider
Eric
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Still workin' it...
Glen
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Stunning work on these. A new gallery is ready - http://www.intflatfigures.org/index.php?action=gallery;cat=9 (http://www.intflatfigures.org/index.php?action=gallery;cat=9)
mark 8)
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Has your figure arrived yet?
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Here is mine now finished
Will bring it to you at the Euro
Eric
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Uh,
I just painted the white base....
Shall I skip the whole project? I can never compete with these working times.... :(
Regards
Joerg
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I think Joerg they are to be done for a display at Kulmbach, so you have a few weeks to go yet!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Went to Brians this afternoon to sort out Euro and other aspects and now the little bugger has given me one to do also!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
these are all looking rather good, and I am impressed with both the quality of painting and the numbers being done.
These will make a nice display at Kulmbach next year :)
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Agree, the quality looks great thus far! Well done's all around.
mark 8)
P.S. Brian I have not seen a figure so far - mail from Europe usually takes a week to ten days if that helps.
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Brian figure arrived today.
Eric's figure adde to gallery from ipad.
mark 8)
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:) :) :) ;)
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What I see is great cinema. :) :) :) :) :) :o :o :o :o
The werdegang the finished figure is impress. And to compare the results are great.
have continued much fun!
And for the person you would like de still reluctant to
are the step by step steps mutivation special. ;) ;)
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More progress. I'm painting the horse as a bay - darker browns with near black main, tail, and lower legs. I've looked at a bazillion bay horses on the interweb and there is a wide variety of coloration, shading, and highlighting. Still working on it, but any suggestions would be helpful.
The area under the front rider's hands is a bit nebulous. Saddlery, I assume, but I can't identify anything specific in order to paint it.
Pressing on.
Glen
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Glen, I have the same problem with my figure. In my case it seems to be a roll, same as behind the second rider. (And a peace of a gun, I could see on the other side)
Maybe it is any bag for the riders personal things. If you look at the finished figures from Kulmbach and Böckchen, they have painted it a little different.
Greetings
Erich
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more steps ....
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Make them no worry!
Martin Block signatory of the characters has his characters always something left neutral "artistic freedom", so this must be shown in the paint with some color. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Yes there are the riders as well as the saddle luggage pieces
(Bags, sacks, Coat role, ax, water bottles or water bags, shovels)
The holsters on the saddle of the rider are hidden partly by luggage.
It would have probably resulted in the production of engraving to complications. ;D ;D
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Well, here's my final take. At this point I set it aside for a week or so, then go back and look at it with - hopefully - a fresh set of eyes.
In the meantime, everyone take a look at it and tell me what I missed or need to fix.
Cheers,
Glen
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A little more of my painting process. Almost done.
Bernt
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A couple of war weary fellows - looking good.
Mine is only under coated so far but, had a late start.
mark 8)
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Hallo,
here is my painting pogress of today.
It Shows bavarian soldiers from General Mansfeld in blue-white colors.
Michael
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Have to say you lot are really doing the business here, well impressed ;)
Jan and Wolfgang, your figures are here and looking good!!
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next steps
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Now I'm back from holiday I have some catching up to do!
This is how mine is looking at the moment.
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This project is a true success
Thanks to all the attendants
Eric
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A bit further on my dishevelled dragoons.
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Hello at all :),
I'll begin to paint the same's Roger's figure. Could you tell me what is the year reprsented on this figure ? It's to find the good documentations for the clothes :P
Thanks very much for your help ;)
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The Thirty Years War was between 1618-1648 Isabelle.
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Hallo Isabelle,
a good color documentation is in the book "Miniaturen Teil III" from Edition Krannich
with a lot of colored drawings of flat figures edited in the beginning in the 30 years.
Look at www.edition-krannich.de or next year in Kulmbach.
Michael
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There are some good photos here,
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=thirty+years+war+reenactment&source=android-browser&hl=en-GB&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=9n4FVLTHBISi0QXHs4H4CQ&ved=0CDIQ7Ak&biw=1024&bih=600
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Finished. Once it is properly dry it'll be sent back to Brian.
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Well done Roger, a very worthy addition to this project!
mark 8)
P.S. My entry is at least two weeks away as I am away on vacation starting the end of the week - weekend painter...apparently my two figures are on an exceptionally slow horse.
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Cheers Mark. ;D
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Hello Roger :)Thanks very much for your answer. Yes, I know the thirty years war's date but I wondered if clothes had changed between the beginning and the end of this war ? This, to be sure not to do historical's mistake. ;) Do you have advice about it ?
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Thanks Roger for the link with all these pictures. Very kind of you :)
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Hello Roger :)Thanks very much for your answer. Yes, I know the thirty years war's date but I wondered if clothes had changed between the beginning and the end of this war ? This, to be sure not to do historical's mistake. ;) Do you have advice about it ?
Ah I understand what you mean now Isabelle. I think clothing would have remained the same throughout the period.
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Thanks very much for your answer Roger ;) Now I can begin to paint this figure :D
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coming along nicely Roger :)
if your horse is slow Mark, mine is a deceased horse, it is no more! it has breathed it's last and is kicking up the daisys, it is defunct of all movement, it has gone to a better place! it is a Dead Horse.
if it is not dead, then why did Brian Sellotape it to the card backing to make it stand up?????
perhaps it is sleeping!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Now I'm finished with the figure.
Bernt
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All of these are coming out really good!!! well done all ;)
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Very nice Bernt
Eric
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Yes, very nicely done.
I am now terrified to finish my figure given all of the wonderful examples so far...
mark 8)
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Thanks for the words. It was a nice figure to paint. I look forward to seeing all the other figures in Kulmbach.
Bernt
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Now I´ve finished my figure.
I´ll see her again in Kulmbach 2015 with the others better painted ones.
Michael
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Your all so modest!!! each figure is a little gem and will look wonderful when mounted together ;)
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last pics :)
Erich
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Figures arrived'
Roger Grimm Eric errant49 Michael_43 Salter Glen Kulmback and of course bockchen all have been gratefully received and is a start to a very colourfully display
Big thanks!!!
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Great. Looking forward to seeing a photo of them all together.
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The project was post in the BFFS journal for those not on the forum and a good response we're getting, think I'll have to get a few more figures from Wolfgang hahaha
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Ok, Brain, but then I dare you .... ha,ha,ha! ;)
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Figures are on there way so if you have not joined in yet and want to have a go let me know, only a few figures left :o
Big thanks again to Wolfgang :) :) :) ;)
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Not to roil the waters any, but has there been any thought to next year's project? Scantily-clad warrior babes? Dominatrixes? Starfleet Pinups? An old west Madam and her bevy o' beauties?
::)
Glen
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An old west Madam and her bevy o' beauties?
That sounds good ;) put the idea together in drawings and see where it takes us ;)
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Seriously!? I was thinking there would already be something like this in the vast sea of 30mm. If not...
Drawings I can do. Thinking large so they can be scaled down to 30 - 54mm. At least four figures in various poses; all dressed in Victorian-era lingerie. No full-frontal or total nudity. Gotta leave the tease and titillation factor in.
I can understand these being 30mm, but to be honest, you've substantially raised the bar with the 45mm Napoleonic girls. ;)
I will need to research Victorian-era lingerie as I'm more attuned to pinup lingerie of the 40s - 60s.
Let me know if you really want to do this. I can come up with a plan fairly quickly; a sample drawing will take a little longer. I can post them here or via email. The latter if you're into OPSEC. 8)
Standing by...
Glen
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45mm and tastefully done is the way to go and I'll get them engraved next year ;)
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No problem if you want to design and engrave
But not for a painting project
Eric
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No problem if you want to design and engrave
But not for a painting project
Eric
No ladies from the "wild west" as a project figure hahaha
I thought it would be good to get away from the norm :D ;)
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Shades of Dead Wood :o Wild Bill and Big Nose Kate where do I tie my horse up ::) Also Don't squat with yer spurs on! ;D Willie
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Well, a follow-on to the previous ACW and Thirty Years War painting projects were what drove my question... I had the impression these were already produced pieces from Wolfgang. There are no issues with doing the same thing using a different historical era or fantasy subject. That said...
Brian's comment about getting away from the norm is a 'good thing'. I can do the design and drawing easily enough and 45mm, as demonstrated by the Napoleonic Pinup girls, is a good base for recognizable faces and other assorted details. Tasteful is foremost on the table, but being ladies employed by Miss Lilly's Tea Room and Pleasure Emporium, there will be one set of breasts and one visible derriere. Otherwise, late Victorian-era dressing gowns, corsets, bloomers, stockings and shoes. These will be demure sitting and standing poses; no 'in action' activity. The painter will have color options for hair, lingerie, etc. The pieces will be drawn as Caucasian, but one or two can be altered to represent Asian, Black, Hispanic, or Native American. There was no shortage of any of these in the Old West. Alternatively, these can be added later to flesh (ha!) out the set.
That's the gist of it. More details will follow later, but I was serious about my OPSEC comment. Can I post progress and further details here, OR do you prefer PMs/Emails?
Good advice, Willie! :o
Looking forward to the project!
Glen
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Ok going back to this project, it gone quiet on the panting front ::)
How are we doing, are you getting there? let us know now far you've got ;) have just sent out more figures to the guys with the Journal so there's loads out there now will be a great display!!!
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Now Glen everything no problem,
but we as collectors want to keep the ball low. ::)
Glen them or someone else sponsor the next figures from the Forum project ????
Or what they did manufacturers want to convince this precious?
Or will even the prick swing and show their hidden talent? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You see, only what nothing kostes auser a little talent and color humor makes it correctly.
And yes, I am then again with it. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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I have had a few very nice figures retuned so how is the rest getting on? not just tucked away in a draw I hope!!
Tell us if you have started, is it going well or is it a disaster, Isabelle how is painting the horse going, have you got there yet?
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Hello Brian, just reading the post today, can I participate ? (still in Turkey) , can you send me a figure in Belgium? It will be a pleasure to join this team, if time frame is giving me a few months indeed.
Michel
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Hello Michel, will get a figure out to Belgium for you in the next few days and thanks for joining in :) ;)
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Welcome Michel !
Eric
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Thanks Brian and Eric,
I was silent for a while.
Question, how to get access to the BFFS magazine No 113? and othersbefore (some look interesting, like No 106)?
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Hello Michel, welcome!
You get access to the BFFS magazines - all 114 of them you need to become a member of the BFFS. All 114 issues are available online as PDF downloads. You also get access to an Members area of the site with some additional content.
You can do so on the site by using PayPal or in other manners by communicating with the Membership secretary.
All of the info is in the FAQ section under Membership in IFFS - BFFS.
mark 8)
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Thanks Mark, ;)
I had a look, all works fine, they are like a gold mine !
Thanks Brian,
For the time being, I will focus on collecting some uniformology documentation, like Isabelle. I don't know which one of the four flats you are sending to me, I will discover when back home.
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OK, back to my original question for next year's project. It seems pin-up girls are out, but what about something that is not locked into the 1600 to 1800s? Fantasy? Sci-fi? Ancient Greeks or Romans?Are there any small scale pieces based on Mucha's art? I will paint anything of course, but an expanded palette into other colors and pastels would be nice.
Glen
(trying to flex the artistic muscles...)
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Glen,
some ideas ...
- samurai 30mm, Jabusame
- Alice in Wonderland
- dedicated engraving of Astérix, Obélix non commercial
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(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/17/41/09/92/new_pi11.jpg) (http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/17/41/09/92/new_pi11.jpg)
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Hallo friends of flats,
2015 will be a napoleonic year - 200 years battle of Waterloo.
So I think the painting project must be a napolenic theme.
For example one of the Gottstein figures or a Mignot figure of Napoleon.
We can ask the Plassenburg crew to make a special casting for us.
2015 there is a Napoleon exhibition in Omen/Netherlands, too.
Best regards
Michael
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Sigh...
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Hallo Glen,
if there is only one opinion you can´t discuss about a topic.
Best regards
Michael
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Michael I think your suggestion is a worthy one given the anniversary. The Napoleonic times are very colorful and there is a wealth of figures to choose from.
Personally I also have a weakness for Mignot's so that is very welcome as well!
mark 8)
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I also agree with this proposal to.
Napoleonic and Waterloo are to wind down this Epocheund particular year festivities a good topic. ;)
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Michael, I was simply hoping for something different; something in the Wizard, Warrior, Orc, Elf, Dwarf, Hobbit, Sci-fi armored space troopers, Klingons, etc, genres; something outside of the 1600 - 1800s and, as this is supposed to be for a traveling display that promotes the BFFS/IFFS, something that might have more appeal to younger (teen and twenty-something) painters. As I said, I will paint anything (one or two) that is chosen.
Q'Plah!
Glen
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Hallo Glen,
I think the genre is not so important for young people. There are more than enough round figures with
these themes.
Some years ago Mrs. Dr. Grobe, owner of Heinrichsen, made a casting with her old moulds in a museum
(Lauf an der Pegnitz). There were a lot of young people watching her producing flats. They were not
interested in the interesting displays of old Heinrichsen figures.
So I think there must be a little more action than a display. Learning painting for young people is another
point.
Best regards
Michael
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Ging back to the Project of TYW of this year, Thank you, Brian for the flat, well arrived at home, this morning, back to Belgium.
It is the flat GO 1805 ! (http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/17/41/09/92/xx10.png)
So as soon as re-installed, I will start the cleaning and préparation, perhaps bring it as a WIP in the appropriate subsection on the forum?
However I don't intend to finish the painting before end of February, because I am working on other flats and figures for the Ransart/Belgium competition end of January instead at short term.
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Thanks for letting me know it got to you OK, will see you at Ransart
Anyone else need a figure still got one or two left ;)
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well received !! under slow preparation
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Well a few more of the guys have made there way home ;) still a lot out there partying or lost so lets see if we can get them all home before the AGM ;D
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Dave Salter
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John Russell
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Bernt Grimm
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I'll get mine in the post this coming week Brian.
Last time I was at home I "finished" it, this time I've picked it up and done some more to it. ;D ;D ;D
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After receipt of my dragoons, a detailed WIP is given: http://www.intflatfigures.org/index.php?topic=1847.0 (http://www.intflatfigures.org/index.php?topic=1847.0)
(Sorry, as Young aged painter, I am quiet slow)... hoping to bring the painting to Brian, if he comes to Ransart end of January.
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Figures are still arriving, sorry for the poor photo but this is from Cristo.
So come on, get them in the post and join the display.
If you need the address just PM me.
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Looks nice, but I think a more neutral background might've popped the colors a bit more.
Any decision on the 2015 project...?
Glen
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Two more have found there way home first is Michel Brasseur (Hannibal) and his mates from Jon Redly
Only a few weeks and we have the AGM and show so if your finished get it in the post and maybe the set will be at the meeting ;)
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Glen asked "Any decision on the 2015 project...?"
Some one else have a go, Wolfgang and myself have marshalled the last one's. let's have some new ideas ;)
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Well, since you asked...
It is my understanding that the point of these projects was to to display the painting talents and styles of various BFFS/IFFS members at various shows in the UK and the Continent; the idea being to attract more members to the BFFS/IFFS and create interest and motivation to take part in the hobby. Correct me if I'm wrong.
The two I have been involved with have focused on military subjects of the 1600 and 1800s. So, instead of playing to the 40, 50, and 60-something crowd, perhaps it is time to take a crack at younger folks - the teens, 20, and 30-somethings - with something a bit more attuned to their interests: Science Fiction, Fantasy, Kid- and Teen Literature, Anime/Manga, Horror, and, yes, even Pin-ups. All of these have the additional advantage of not being locked into a specific palette - the sky's the limit as far as hair and clothing color and styles are concerned - a sheer pastel green sorceress' gown, blue hair, or red stiletto thigh boots with holsters - no problem!
...and one more thing: a big tip of the hat to Brian and Wolfgang for driving the herd!
Glen
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Hallo Glen,
my two nephews under 18 are interested in "James Bond" and "Lord of the rings" films but not in flats.
They like to play with PLAYMOBIL-figures (knights and romans), they visit museums but they would never paint a flat.
I think it´s not so easy.
Best regards
Michael
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It's never easy Michael. It takes work. Interest - even causal interest - must be nurtured. The interest is then directed to an attempt at painting. The painting is then developed into a skill which is developed even further. No, it's not easy. In fact it's quite hard. But... if there is no desire or willingness to even try because it's too hard, then I/you/we are doomed as far as flats go. Where are the new editors, engravers, and painters coming from if not the young? And where are the mentors who will help them along?
As for the painting project ...instead of a single subject, why not a mix of various subjects? Military and civilian subjects of various eras, sci-fi, fantasy, et al?
Glen
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Hallo Glen,
I think it´s a good idea to show various subjects maybe with one theme.
To present the flats I saw a good idea from the flat-museum Goslar, an aluminum case with a lot of small dioramas
illuminated with SMD´s (small LED´s).
It´s easy to transport, easy to set up at a show and it´ll be an eyecatcher
Every case has it´s own theme like "famous fairy tales", "famous people and their pets", "pin-ups", "science fiction". etc. etc.
Each painter would build a very small diorama to a theme every year or some painter produce a small diorama for the case.
For example "famous people and their pets":
1. Albert Schweitzer and his cat in Lambarene (Braune)
2. Friedrich II. and his greyhounds (Timm)
3. Richelieu and his cats
4. Karl V. and his Ulmer bulldog
5. Obelix and his Idefix
6. Pharao and his hunting leopard
7. ???
It´s only an idea for some new painting and building projects the next years to present at shows as an eyecatcher.
What´s yor opinion ???
Best regards
Michael
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It seems like a great idea Michael, but there are some cost and logistic issues to work out.
How much does the case cost and who pays for it? Can the case be altered year after year for different sizes and groupings, or must a new case be purchased every year?
Where do the figures come from? It's my understanding that Wolfgang sponsored these projects by providing the figures gratis or at cost for the last two years (there may have been others). It took a year to send the figures out, get them painted, and then returned. I have a feeling some were not finished. Considering that nearly everyone has issues of job, family, home, and consequently limited time for their own projects, asking people to paint more than one figure might be difficult. I can do it, but I'm retired; after household honey-dos and yardwork, my recreation is painting figures and wrenching on the MGs. Oh, and there's baseball... .
All that said, still a good idea if we can get the bodies to take part. I'm in.
Glen
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Hallo Glen,
here the costs:
1. aluminum case for tools; inner dimension: 485 x 340 x 100 mm (70 mm cover) 60.- € (19 x 13,4 x 4 Inch)
2. acrylic glass 2 mm 20.-€
3. passpartout 15.-€
4. under construction with spruce afford 10.-€
5. gluten/screws 5.-€
6. architecture paperboard for the small boxes 30.-€
7. 3 m SMD with power supply/cable 20.-€
complete case without figures/dioramas 160.-€/120.- GBP/180.-$
To change the dioramas you need a new passpartout and new SMD´s.
It depends on the topic where the figures comes from. When we find a topic before Kulmbach it´s possible to reserve and to buy
them there to save postage. Then we can give them out with a piece of architecture paperboard for the box at the BFFS stand.
The rest must be send by post.
Some painters can paint for a small diorama so everybody paints only a few figures.
The complete diorama´s must return where they get a light and will be sticked on the backside of the passpartout.
The man with the idea must pay for his stupid idea; the collector Forbes died some years ago and I know no sponsor...
I see such a project is too complex. It was only an idea.
Best regards
Michael
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How about a Dr Who theme as suggested to me by Andrew out in Russia ;)
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Hallo Brian,
I never saw Dr. Who in German TV but time travel could be an interesting theme for flats.
I saw in my youth the story of Catweazle in TV for children.
Best regards
Michael
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Well, Michael, money, or lack of it, is often the root cause of stillborn plans. That's probably why the previous projects have been mounted in simple frames - cheap and widely available.
Dr Who is a good idea, and widely known. But... you have to be careful about reproducing someone else's trademarked and/or copyright items for commercial use/profit.
On the other hand, two words: Pinup Daleks! :o
Glen
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Hallo Glen,
Simple frames in MDF (Middle Density Fiberboard) with glass starts with 1,99 €, when you build the box yourself.
For a case of 160.-€ you can buy a complete army on ebay. I wonder how they financed flat museums like in Kulmbach,
Goslar or Leipzig-Dölitz ??? Several years ago there was no ebay and they must buy their figures from the editors
who wanted to make money. Today they give up because of ebay.
Best regards
Michael
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Howdy Boys! Any updates on if/when/how we're doing a 2015 Painting Project or had this idea gone to great corral in the sky?
Glen
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Hallo Glen,
here my next ideas:
1. At the "Zinnfigurenbörse" they make a casting of the Mignot moulds. We could buy the 2015 series and use them for
a painting project. I think we need 20-25 figures ? Next week I´m in Kulmbach and I can ask.
2. The Gottstein series "30-jähriger Krieg" could be used for a painting project.
There are hourses for the experienced painters and simple figures for the beginners. 25 figures which could be bought at
Kulmbach.
A part could be distributed in Kulmach at the BFFS stand and the rest with post.
But I can´t solve the problem of a sponsor and a logistic center ...
Other ideas ???
Best regards
Michael
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Well, I'm afraid I have no more ideas. Apart from Brian's Dr Who suggestion, you and I are the only ones really talking about this, so most other folks don't seem to have any ideas either. I also don't know how the powers-that-be might feel about someone outside the UK taking the reins.
Still thinking about those thigh-high stiletto boots with holsters...
Glen
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Hallo Glen,
I think we must make a 2-member-painting -project; you´ll paint a pinup and I´ll paint a Mignot flat ...
Both figures in an expensive frame of real wood (ebony) and SMD-lightning ;) ;) ;)
Best regards
Michael
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Back to the current project and a big thanks ;) we nearly have all the figures back!! that's a first ;D
Beautifully painted all of them and ready to frame which is in the hands of the "boss" Nick
So if you've still got your figure get it painted and posted to Nick or myself and lets make this the best project up to now ;D
Thanks go out to you all who have taken part and especially Wolfgang who supplied the great figures you've all done such good work on, well done ;)
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I'm glad it's working out.
X2 for Wolfgang!
I think Micheal's got something up his sleeve for the next project, but I have no idea what it is...
Glen