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Flat Figures Painters Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: marko on December 21, 2013, 11:44:52 AM
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The site has been somewhat awash in lovely Neckel figures of the Army of the Blue King of late - which are a personal favorite as well. I noticed and have won an auction on Ebay with a number of Neckel's Hartischer Life Garde 1717 figure.
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As such I am proposing a mini-campaign and am looking for 8 painting companions for this figure. Just send me your address through a Message on the forum via the "My Messages" link on the top menu of the screen and I will send you a figure to paint. Your only task will be to commit to share it here on the site.
I will shortly have 8 figures and will need 8 fellow painters to join.
Here is a lovely example of the figure by Louis Liljedahl:
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Mark 8)
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Keep one for me Marko if shipping cost is not too high
Eric
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Excellent, 7 to go and don't worry about the shipping. Your figures have given me a huge amount of inspiration, I will be curious to see what wonders you do with it.
Who else is joining us?
Mark 8)
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Now remember you don't have to be one of the "great" painters, beginners welcome and if you get stuck we're always here to help, so don't be shy get your names of to Mark and join the fun ;)
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Indeed - two fellow campaigners so far, five more to go...
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Well Mark, i would like to have a go too, please.
Anything you would like in return? I have more figures than I can count. How about a nice Frank engraved Burgundian knight to test your armour painting skills. I am just starting some myself.
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Lovely trade Charles and you are on! What is a wonderful idea...a figure for a figure!!
Send me your address and I will provide mine. Just purchased the figures today, I should have them within a week.
Mark 8) four more figures to go...
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Done.
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Still three figures left to go... Who else will join the campaign?
mark 8)
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Hi Mark,
I would be very happy to join your campaign.
John R
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Excellent John, welcome along and send me your address through a message.
I thing I have one more figure still for a volunteer?
Mark 8)
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Well I was trying to ignore this Challenge :o
But I just can't do it Cap'n.
If you still got 1 left Mark I'm your man, unless someone else wants a go ;)
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Ok gents one more figure is still available. Any other volunteers for this campaign?
Mark 8)
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OK Mark. I'll play. I have just managed to log on as I am away from home. Catching up on any gossip.
Mike
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Welcome aboard Mouse, how's Sweden? sunny?
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Figures arrived yesterday and should be off to all parts UK tomorrow
Nick/Mike/Martin/Charles/John/Michael
and France - Eric
as well as Roger when he returns and I can get an address.
Mark 8)
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What a nice surprise, I just got home today and as I was reading through this thread thought oh no I've missed this and then got to the end and found I'm in. :D Thank you very much Mark, it is very much appreciated and my address is on the way via pm.
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Welcome home Roger, I hope you had a half decent Christmas.
I wish you and your family a happy 2014.
Do I hear the click of brushes in the background??? ;D ;D ;D ;D he's off lads!!! ;D ;D
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Thanks Nick. Happy New Year to you and yours too. It has been a pretty grim trip with continuous rough weather but we made the best of it.
The brushes aren't out yet but tomorrow there is a good chance.
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Mark
thanks for the update, I will be away for three weeks after today so will look forward to finding it when I return. I hope my figures reached you.
Charles
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Cheers Charles,
Figures arrived on Thursday they will be a challenge.
Blue King figures should start arriving this week for folks, they all went out last week except for Roger's which will ship tomorrow.
I also have an order on the way from Neckel so it will be a Blue winter here.
Mark 8)
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Hi Marko
Figure arrived today :) :)
Eric
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Mine arrived yesterday afternoon. :)
Bit of confusion as when I got home the dear wife said " you've received a model from Mark Kirkbride, it's up stairs on your table".
when I stared at her blankly, she said "did you hear me?" I then said " why would our Neighbours son give me a model ? :o does he know I paint ?
Then she said, this one's come from America, unless he's not really there but next door!! :o :o :o
ARE YOU NEXT DOOR Mark, you sneaky bast**d!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It's a small world :)
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The staring blankly and the "Did you hear me" part happens on a daily basis here.
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Yes, Nicholas just lower your shades three times and I will acknowledge it. I have been living in his basement for years...
Mark 8)
Pleased they are arriving. Despite snowgeddon and strapped postal services it still takes a just a week to send items around the world.
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Mine arrived today .Many thanks.The decks have been cleared and paints got out again .Well thats the easy bit over .Is there a large colour painting anywhere ?i can get my hands on ?
cheers
Martin
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Martin there is painting at the beginning of this thread showing the original painting this figure was created from.
However, it being from the War of the Spanish Succession the figure will work for another of other nations. I have another nice alternative I will post tonight.
Mark 8)
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Got mine this morning, thank you very much Mark. :)
Has anyone made a start yet and are we putting work in progress photo's in this thread or... ?
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I have heard of several arrivals and one start. No progress shots or finished figures as of yet. I will also try to post an alternative British uniform tonight for someone that may want something different.
Mark 8)
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As Mr. Bistulfi so brilliantly showed in Journal # 82 the era of the War of the Spanish Succession is rich in colorful uniforms which a with a little modification of existing figures are available. Here are two alternatives for this figure:
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Both of these are from The Armies and Uniforms of Marlbough's Wars by CS Grant which are handy little books.
Mark 8)
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Thank you-mine arrived last week, Im making a lot of progress, it is a lovely figure to paint.
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errr, those colours are a bit boring compared to the Blue King.
Know which one I'm going to do ;)
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Hello Mark
I am back from my holidays and found your figure waiting for me, many thanks. Will be making a start this weekend.
Charles
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Hi all
Here are my first steps
Let's say first that the figure is marvellously engraved ( Frank)
It deserves a very carefull cleaning and a very light undercoat
The face is very thin (don't forget the little mustach)
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The coat is not easy with stripes of very near colors : silver, blue, black
As usual I started by blocking the colors
I used cobalt blue, highlighted white and shadowed ultramarine
Silver is payne grey and white
Black is black
The pictures show different steps and whre I am tonight
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I still have to work a little tonight to smooth the paint
Tomorrow I will deepen shadows
Eric
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Here is the missing attachment (I hope !)
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Coming along quite nicely. Your style on this figure reminds me a bit of a Eugene Leliepvre which is perfect.
I have not had time to get to mine - buried in a commission of Buck Rogers figures - but, will be paying close attention to your approach.
Mark
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Moustache??!!!! :o
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Yes Roger
The musqueteer has a very thin mustache
Eric
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:o I'm on it.
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New steps
The basic color of the horse comes with white, ultramarine and black
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The next pictures show the different steps with addition of yellow ochre, lights and shadows
Several details have also been added
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Next and final step tomorrow after a little drying time
Eric
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The time has arrived for me to clear my workbench up and prepare for going back to work but this is how mine is looking at the moment.
Work in progress, to be continued.......... :)
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Keep on Roger
Here is mine finished
Eric
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Beautifully done Eric and go Roger!
I will start mine this weekend as well.
Mark 8)
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Keep on Roger
Here is mine finished
Eric
Hold on a minute, where is the embroidery on the sadddlecloth and holster covers?
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Yes Roger
I just noticed I forgot them ! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Silly boy !!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
Eric
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By the way, does somebody have a detailed picture of these embroideries ?
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Yes silly boy. ;D
Found this here, http://www.reitverein-guenzburg.de/bayerische_kavallerie.htm
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Thank you Roger
Eric
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Thank you Roger
Eric
It's the least I can do Eric, after all you told me he has a moustache so I owed you one. ;D ;D ;D
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Eric I also not a lack of eyelashes on your figure.
Best to take care of that as well my friend...
Mark ;)
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Eric I also not a lack of eyelashes on your figure.
Best to take care of that as well my friend...
Mark ;)
Oh no, I'd better check mine for eyelashes!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Well, I am afraid I w ill have to scour it and do it again :( :( :(
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Here is mine, finished. I enjoyed it, thanks Mark it was a good idea. And unlike other project figures I get to keep it!
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Beautifully done Charles, like this one a lot.
Mark 8)
P.S. I have the figures you sent me undercoated. I am hoping to try a new approach to painting armor with them.
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By the way I now have an extra figure for this exciting campaign if anyone else is interested? Send me a message with your address and I will send it on to you. Your only obligation is to paint it and show it here as Charles and Eric have done beautifully.
I am adding a small gallery under BFFS projects for these.
Mark 8)
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This is very good. Just the right amount of detail on a 30mm figure.
Particularly like the horse and the riders coat.
You should have a look at other figures in the set from Neckel. They are very impressive most engraved by Frank.
Keep the little blokes coming
Mike
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Congratulations Charles :) :) :)
Your figure is very good
Here is mine with the embroideries I had forgotten
I hope nobody will find another silly mistake :-[ :-[ :-[
Eric
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Mike, Eric, thanks a lot.
I have looked at a lot of painters, and both of you in particular. Very different styles and much to be learnt from both. I am painting more and finding my way, really enjoying trying different colour mixes, different textures etc. I am pleased with this figure, although I look and see plenty of areas to improve. But you have to stop somewhere and move on to another figure.
I think I will always prefer the 30mm figures although the current trend seems to be moving away from these. Like you say Mike, let's keep the little ones out there.
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Here's mine
Mike
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Well done to you all, the results have been exceptional ;) good campaign Mark and looking forward to the rest being finished and shown ;D
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Nicely detailed Mike, but did'nt you forgot the black stripes on the casaque ?
Mark, when everybody have finished his figure could you gather the pictures in one post so that we can have a general view of the works ?
Eric
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Thanks Eric. But no stripes for me!
Picture from Anton Hoffmann's Army of the Blue King.
Mike
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Maybe a different regiment ?
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Nicely done Mike, as always. Interesting with the coloring - I have noticed there is some variation of several of these prints on the internet. As Eric says maybe some variation per regiment.
I will gather the pictures in one post when complete which is a nice idea. I also have opened a new gallery for them here as well:
http://www.intflatfigures.org/index.php?action=gallery;cat=28 (http://www.intflatfigures.org/index.php?action=gallery;cat=28)
Mark 8)
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Another good one Mike. Who is next to post?
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Is the Forum painting project for 2014? ???
Have I missed the start?
if so, how can I follow?
who our kontagt man for this operation?
I want to belong to :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Results are here http://www.intflatfigures.org/index.php?action=gallery;cat=9 (http://www.intflatfigures.org/index.php?action=gallery;cat=9) there is also a link to the relevant thread there as well.
Some nice results so far.
Mark 8)
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I'm confused... Is the 2014 project the Blue King Army or the outbreak of WW I? I've followed the thread on the former, but I can't find a thread on the latter. I'm more than willing to participate, as I did with the ACW project, if someone can send the relevant figures.
Cheers,
Glen
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This is a kind of private venture by Mark. He had a number of these figures and sent them out to those interested. The only deal was that you had to paint it and show it on the site.
The WW1 Project is for all members of the Society, but you provide your own figure and send it in to be included in a display which can be taken to shows etc. You can find that thread in the Members Only Forum under BFFS Projects.
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'm with Glen of a opinion.
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Did not realize this was causing confusion.
BFFS 2014 Project Thread is here:
http://www.intflatfigures.org/index.php?topic=845.0 (http://www.intflatfigures.org/index.php?topic=845.0)
It is appropriately commemerating 100 year anniversary of WWI. You do however, need to supply your own figure for the effort, though I am sure if someone asks other members would be willing to share a figure for you to paint.
My campaign as Charles notes was just a private venture based on the fact I had multiple figures to share. It has been an extremely successful venture given the results so far.
Mark 8)
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Nearly finished mine. Thoroughly enjoyed it, one of the nicest figures Ive painted.
Just the embroidery and carbine (which Im dreading!) left.
Fascinating to see how people are turning out brilliantly painted miniatures which are the same yet so different
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Did not realize this was causing confusion.
BFFS 2014 Project Thread is here:
http://www.intflatfigures.org/index.php?topic=845.0 (http://www.intflatfigures.org/index.php?topic=845.0)
It is appropriately commemerating 100 year anniversary of WWI. You do however, need to supply your own figure for the effort, though I am sure if someone asks other members would be willing to share a figure for you to paint.
My campaign as Charles notes was just a private venture based on the fact I had multiple figures to share. It has been an extremely successful venture given the results so far.
Mark 8)
Oops. Sorry, I can't access the WW I thread link. I didn't realize it was for members only :-[ . My bad.
Cheers,
Glen
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My bad too Glen - apologies. Yes, it is a BFFS project meaning it lands in the Members area.
Mark 8)
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The results begin to arrive...
The challenge - 8 figures were available to those interested in participating. The only requirement was to paint it and share it with members online.
Neckel figure is based on Anton Hoffman’s Life Garde 1717 figure:
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The results
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Charles Mike
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Eric John
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Hi Mark,
At last figure now complete maybe a little to much white for me but an interesting painting exercise.
John
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Wow, beautifully done John! Love the scroll work and the detail of the horses braided mane.
mark 8)
P.S. Still working on mine but, interrupted by some commission work and work/work.
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Yes, very nice John, I like it.
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My one is coming on .i am slowly relearning my skills or lack of them .Like they say "use it or lose it "
Martin
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It is looking good Martin. I am indeed chuffed about the wonderful results we have seen from this! It is always great fun to see the multiple interpretations/choices painters make on the same figure. Paint on.
mark 8)
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Does anyone know if the lace colour was silver or white for a trooper .My gut feeling says silver as later ceremonial units had silver though this doesnt follow the usual silver for officers and white for other ranks etc.
thanks in advance
Martin
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Hi Martin,
I have illustrations showing silver or white and what looks like gold colour. So take your gut feeling. I painted mine gold because it was what I prefered.
John R
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I researched this as much as I can, because I'm VERY picky about getting stuff right, sadly!
I found conflicting illustrations, but from other precedent it's likely white to retain the distinctive between the officers.
For the record, I just did mine how I liked :)
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Thanks for the replies .I will go with my initial thoughts on this and go silver ,blue and silver always looks good .
Martin
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This has exposed an interesting issue to this time period - Neckel has an extraordinary line of figures for the Army of the Blue King. A number of them are direct copies of drawings by Anton Hoffman such as this one. However, the reproduction of these drawings and the uniforms is a bit variable depending on the source.
The photo I used is from the Anne S. K. Brown library. The most common reference out there is from Nafziger which has different coloring on a number of the figures than the print at Anne S. K. Brown. There are a number on the internet which also show some slight variations.
Unfortunately there does not appear to be a huge amount of other information available. Best advice seems to be that taken - do what feels right and looks good...
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I had a chance to own an original copy of Hoffman's book
I confirm silver
Eric
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It's been nice catching up on this thread and the nice work of all the painted figures so far. Now I am on leave work can continue mine. :)
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Here's how mine is looking at the moment.
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Looking good Roger - paint on.
mark 8)
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Cheers Mark, painting on.
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Very good Roger
I like it
Eric
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Thanks very much Eric, I should get some more done today. :)
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Finished mine.
Hartschier in der casake, 1717.
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Picture is not very good but the figure seems quite nice
Eric
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Thanks Eric, I was thinking that myself, they are a bit fuzzy. I'll replace them later today when I have a few minutes to spare.
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I've removed the previous photo's and put some better ones on, any fuzziness now is down to my painting. ;)
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Lot better Roger, well done ;)
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Thanks very much Brian. :)
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Well painted Roger, good looking figure.
mark 8)
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Thank you very much Mark and thank you for giving me the opportunity to paint it........... have you got any more? ;D (Only kidding ;) )
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They are beautiful figures are they not? And the results have been quite stunning!
And actually I have one more figure everyone has been painting if anyone wishes to join late, and I have a few multiples I would be happy to send out as well. I will post a pic sometime soon and soon who wants to extend the campaign into Officers and Staff...
Mark 8)
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You're right Mark they are beautiful and I enjoyed painting it. I actually found it more difficult than I anticipated but I got there in the end.
Joking aside I would be interested in any multiples you might want to part with and I'm sure we could come to an arrangement either swaps or payment.
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You People are putting me to shame :-[
I will start mine shortly ;)
who is this Shortly person anyway,are they a member??? ;D ;D ;D ;D
see how well that was done? no sexism in this Society ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I stripped mine off and have restarted .Potentially I have a better figure in me .Whether it struggles out goodness only knows .its in there somewhere ;D
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Nice figure, Roger. Good to see another one completed.
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I stripped mine off and have restarted .Potentially I have a better figure in me .Whether it struggles out goodness only knows .its in there somewhere ;D
Keep at it and good luck.
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Nice figure, Roger. Good to see another one completed.
Thanks very much Charles. :)