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Re: Advice Needed
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2014, 11:05:16 AM »
Ok if you like the west then go for it. You can paint subject for every in this period.  Now lighting and shadows, most used lighting in photography is North Lighting, this was used in the early studios because it did not cause harsh shadows and used today. Most movies are shoot out side in the early morning up to about noon. Then after that is over head light until  late in the afternoon when the shadows begin to fall . Another way to learn about light is to go to the art store and buy a wooden posing figure or a Toy soldier put it on an white paper circle in the center and then take a lamp and go 360 around it notice how the shadows fall on the paper or go out side and let the sun do the work. The other way is to go out side and look at your cloths and your shadow at different times of the day and also look at others walking or working. Also take some medal objects and notice how they reflect. Then take a box, ball out side and see how they reflect light. Also do this on days when the sun is out and overcast days and when it is raining. I hope this helps Willie

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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2014, 04:45:17 AM »
Just some of Dave's latest, one is the project figure which he hatted!!! to small for him to see but I think the man did good ;)

The Indian bust I think is his best yet, he has a liking for the old west I think ;D 

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Re: Advice Needed
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2014, 03:01:00 PM »
More from Dave ;)

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Re: Advice Needed
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2014, 04:49:05 AM »
For anyone newish to flat painting have a look at Glen's excellent SBS, it will point you in the right way and answer some of the questions  ;)   




http://www.intflatfigures.org/index.php?topic=1147.0

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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2014, 06:41:34 PM »
Glen I see your points.I will post the western scene once I have finished what Brian has lumbered me with.
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2014, 03:45:46 PM »
More fuel on the fire... I'm left handed and I always prefer to paint a single figure with the main light source coming from the upper left (say 10:30) and slightly to the front as viewed. I also prefer figures to be facing the viewer or posed facing the viewer's left. This allows the figure's face to be lit up by my preferred light direction. If the figure is facing right, I have to bite the bullet and paint the piece with the light coming form that direction.


I've never painted a multi-figure flat scene, but Jeorg is absolutely correct in saying that the placement of the figures and other scenery can have an effect on shadows - much like a forward positioned arm might cast a shadow across the body. Lighting aside, it helps sell the scene if you put a small amount of forced perspective into it. Big figures in front, smaller figures to the rear if they are different sizes (even within the same scale) and you can make it work.


Since you're painting a Western scene, you may using light-colored sandy hues for the ground. Keep in mind that light can reflect off such a surface and add a bit of light to the undersides of objects that you might think are in total (or near total) shadow. Think the belly of a horse or a wagon bottom. Maybe even the underside of a hat brim.


Good luck with your project and please post in-progress pics so we can follow along.


Cheers,

Glen

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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2014, 03:11:51 PM »
Joerg most interesting i am about to start a Wild West scene so I will bear in mind your comments.
Dave

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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2014, 08:50:44 AM »
@Dave,

I am no good painter, but there are some ideas I dare to share:

Roger stated it quite right:  ALL figures and background should get the light from the same direction.
And this should keep on for the "second side" too (when I got painted figures from one professional company overseas they painted the figures quite nice - light allways from the front of the figure, i.e. one side light from left, adversaries light from right
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Another point:   Many painters focus on cast shadows and achieve stunning effects. 
Quite good, but when you plan to assemble groups this causes even more restrictions for grouping the figures (cast shadow from one figure on another and so on)  and it will cause strict conditions to the surrounding in a diorama.

A third thought:
Always try to keep the light source for presentation where it was during painting.
IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE, when you paint with light from 11 o' clock (as I do) and show with light, say, from 2 o'clock, believe me.

Happy painting
Joerg
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2014, 06:27:59 AM »

Question on a group of figures do you light from one direction say 2 or 10 oclock or bring in other light sources.I will be fasinated by replies.
Dave

Dave, as long as the light source is consistent throughout the group I don't suppose it matters. One thing to bear in mind if you are setting your figures against a background is to remember the light there too. I once painted a figure with the light coming from top left and then set it against a background of trees where the light was shining through top right.  ;D
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2014, 06:22:26 AM »
Gentlemen thank you very much for the comments they will be taken on board.I especially note the points about shadows I am working on this on my latest works.This is the trouble a round figure painter gets when doing a flat.
Still thanks again on a personal level I am about 50% as to where I would like to be hence the request.
Question on a group of figures do you light from one direction say 2 or 10 oclock or bring in other light sources.I will be fasinated by replies.
Dave

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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2014, 01:06:17 PM »
There slumbers a great talent in the.
I can connect Roger me only.
Thanks for the show and I hope we will see more. :) :) :)
best regards
Wolfgang


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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2014, 11:27:29 AM »
I always ask, but you're right Eric; many do not dare. That said...


X2 on the shadows. And highlights. Both are needed to impart a sense of shape. I would also lock in the light direction. I see so many flats that are painted with the actual light direction being kinda, sorta 'somewhere above' often to the point where it's so ambiguous, the flat looks flat. Only the girl in top hat seems to have it defined based on the light flare on the top hat, but it's not consistent over the entire figure. The rest of the pieces are falling into that area of ambiguity.


Additionally, all of the skin tones seem to be the same, or so close as to be virtually indistinguishable. The cowboy and biker(s) are outdoor types, so their skin tones would be darker and have more contrast than the two girl busts. The girls' skin tones would be lighter and softer, but still have enough contrast to bring out the three dimensionality of real people. Girls' hair also tends to have lighter highlights versus male hair. Both girls' hair is a bit monochromatic - the blonde in the top hat especially so.


The bike handlebar - assuming it's chrome - should have more reflectivity; sky above, ground/pavement below. Ditto for the bike frame (assuming it's glossy paint vs satin or rat rod matte). The curvy bits on the handlebars are, I assume, brake and throttle cables. Should these be the same color as the bars? Should they be that thick? Don't be afraid to make minor corrections to a piece if something is over/under scale, skewed, or mishappen. Generally speaking, no amount of paint is going to fix those things. The lines painted on the headlight give the impression that the light is pointing up into the air. The black voids on the bike frame should be the same color as the background so it gives a better impression of a bike's open framework. Likewise for the spaces between the spokes (which technically wouldn't be visible on a moving bike...).


The horse is better painted than the cowboy (and I speak as one who hasn't painted a horse since the mid-70s, but is about to take the plunge). Also, the cowboy seems to be standing on top of the dust cloud (that is a possible engraving issue, which the painter can do little about). I think the dust clouds would be better represented if they were transparent, thus allowing the background to show through.


OK, full disclosure Dave: I've only painted about 15 flats over the past few years. The above is what I have learned over the course of that time. It will help if you focus on one piece at a time, plan out the painting via notes, and consult the notes regularly so you stay on track.


Good luck with it! ;D


Slainte,


Glen

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Re: Advice Needed
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2014, 10:43:49 AM »
They are nicely painted and one piece of advice I was given should really make a difference. When you think you have finished go that little bit further and add an extra light highlight and an extra deep shadow. I think this is kind of what Eric is getting at and it really does make a difference.
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Re: Advice Needed
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2014, 10:30:51 AM »
Nice to see somebody asking for advices
Many do not dare
I should just say : the figures lack shadows; always remember it is not lights which make the volumes but shadows
What is the medium ? Oil ? acryl ?
Try harder Dave
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Advice Needed
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2014, 08:55:54 AM »
New member Dave Salter has asked my to post photos of some of his latest figures, advice or criticism welcome and encouraged  ;)

Dave will reply to any comments :)