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Flat Figures Painters Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: snagy on December 08, 2023, 04:49:47 AM

Title: First Crusade
Post by: snagy on December 08, 2023, 04:49:47 AM

Robert II Count of Flanders - Henninges/Menz figure:


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2574-081223044520.jpeg)


Sandor

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: John Alberts on December 08, 2023, 08:51:57 AM

Very nice work

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: Hannibal on December 08, 2023, 10:55:11 AM

Ohhh!  I love this painting !!!
Also good painting of the lion on the shield.
It wakes me up on a serie of the early middle age, to be painted, thank you


I can't identify the flat No.

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: snagy on December 08, 2023, 12:34:02 PM

Thank you for the feedbacks.


Michel: on the first page, third line, third figure from left: Kr109a/M16


Sandor


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2574-081223122653.jpeg)

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: Hannibal on December 08, 2023, 01:23:02 PM

Super thanks, Sandor,
I am discovering this page, used to the classical Menz pages on black background.  I like these very much, but had never had the opportunity to buy them in second hand.


Now impatient to see more painted ... THANK YOU a lot!

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: snagy on December 10, 2023, 04:30:59 AM

And another knight from Flanders:


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2574-101223042711.jpeg)


Sandor

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: Christoph on December 10, 2023, 07:06:28 AM

Nice painting!

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: John Alberts on December 11, 2023, 11:30:34 AM

Good painting!

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: snagy on December 16, 2023, 05:01:41 AM

Three more knights:


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2574-161223045654.jpeg)
(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2574-161223045754.jpeg)
(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2574-161223045727.jpeg)




Have a nice weekend!!
 ;)
Sandor

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: Hannibal on December 16, 2023, 05:12:55 AM

Congratulations, Snagy, so far I have never been this serie being painted so far and presented on expos or internet during the past 10 years.
It brings some original postures of these crusades, appréciated.


Looking forward to continue seeing your paintings.

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: snagy on December 20, 2023, 04:40:53 AM

... and here is Sir Hugues, Count of Vermandois:


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2574-201223043433.jpeg)


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2574-201223043350.jpeg)


Have a nice day!!!
Sandor

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: snagy on December 26, 2023, 03:07:00 AM

Here is Bohemond of Taranto himself:


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2574-261223030109.jpeg)
(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2574-261223030132.jpeg)


Merry Christmas-
Sandor

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: Hannibal on December 26, 2023, 04:06:37 AM

Fantastic painting, wonderful serie.


I do apprectiate upmost the manner you painted the metal, and his face very expressive !!






(minor note: you omit to get off the edges of the index finger of Bohemond turning his back ....)

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: Christoph on December 26, 2023, 04:50:05 AM

Nice painting. Good coloures on the horse!

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: snagy on December 26, 2023, 01:16:55 PM

Quote from: Hannibal on December 26, 2023, 04:06:37 AM

(minor note: you omit to get off the edges of the index finger of Bohemond turning his back ....)

Thank you Michel  ;D ;D ;D  - I have corrected it!



Sandor
 ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: snagy on December 31, 2023, 02:30:23 AM

Friends,
I am just working on the Tancrede figure of Menz.
I am a bit helpless conerning the blazon should be placed on the shield.
There are two options seem to be feasible:
1. The blazon of House of Hauteville:
(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2574-311223022329.jpeg)
2. The blazon shown on the painting of Emile Signol ([size=78%]https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A1jl:Tancred_of_Hauteville._siege_of_Jerusalem.jpg (https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A1jl:Tancred_of_Hauteville._siege_of_Jerusalem.jpg)[/size][size=78%])[/size]
(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2574-311223021008.jpeg)
But in this case it is not clear what is depicted on the shield: a bird or a dragon?
So any opinion/ help would be welcome!
Happy New Year to eveyone!!!
Sandor

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: Hannibal on December 31, 2023, 06:09:07 AM

I am preparing the dinner fpor this famous night, so not much time to analyze historical references of this family .. The Grand father, Tancred of Hauteville in Normandy has many sons , many of them went to conquest Italy, founding dinasties their with various coats of arms.


A Bohemond received the principality of Taranto from the duchy of Apulia, whose coat of arms is a red lion on a yellow background, different from that Blue and white/red coat of arms of the Kingdom of Sicily, another brother...   The young Tancred who went to the Cruzades with Bohemond was a side nepheww, but Wikipedia does not cite the branch of the family, therefore the shield content.


I woukd personnally use the blazon of the de Hauteville family, in absence of date, or seach deeper in various sources, bu no time for me today. The dragon on the illustration looks perhaps funny.


More search should be done on the grand sun Tancred who went to Jerusalem, to find out, but unsure at this stage.... Sorry...

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: snagy on December 31, 2023, 07:00:56 AM

Thank you for the feedback, Michel!
I shall use the blue-white-red blazon of the House of Hauteville.


Have much fun in the evening and Happy New Year once again-
Sandor

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: snagy on January 04, 2024, 04:01:48 AM

Here is Tancred of Hauteville (later Prince of Galilee):


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2574-040124035405.jpeg)
(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2574-040124033555.jpeg)


Beautifully sculpted Menz figure.
Best regards-
Sandor

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: John Alberts on January 04, 2024, 09:12:09 AM

Very nice work!

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: Hannibal on January 04, 2024, 09:58:03 AM

Beautiful painting, added to my collection and inspiration for painting later of the Menz serie !!!


I love the patience that you used for painting the chainmail ! but it pays off!!!

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: Christoph on January 04, 2024, 10:52:20 AM

Very nice Sandor.
Good job on the horse and on the mail Shirt as well, this is a thing not easy to paint.
Christoph

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: willie on January 04, 2024, 06:08:53 PM

 Very nice job 8)  Willie

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: snagy on January 21, 2024, 01:50:54 AM

Friends,
let me show you the next two persons:
Gottfried of Bouillon, the Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri ane Peter of Amiens:

(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2574-210124014255.jpeg)
(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2574-210124014333.jpeg)


One remark: However the present rendering of Peter of Amiens shows a dignified, patriarchal person, according to the historians (e.g. Anna Komnene, thereafter Runciman and Pörtner) Peter was a man of small, moreover unsightly appearence.
Have a nice weekend!  ;D
Sandor

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: Hannibal on January 21, 2024, 05:36:43 AM

Fantastic treatment, painting of the metal of Godefroid (sorry, my parents are born in the twon of Bouillon !! in Belgium), with a lot of patience, for a 30mm size !!

I love also his helmet, and the clothing of Peter of Amiens, this rough texture of prieters and monks ...


Congratulations, excellent interpretation of the Menz serie !!!

Title: Re: First Crusade
Post by: John Alberts on January 21, 2024, 10:29:40 AM

Nice paint work of a very interesting subject; appreciate the research notes.