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Title: French knights at Crecy
Post by: nmrocks on January 31, 2018, 09:45:06 AM

I am sending a group of French knight out for a commission and was hoping some of you might have painted some of these great castings by Wolfgang Friedrich to give me some color guidance? Recommend some historical color reference sources?
Thank you,
Ray

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: marko on January 31, 2018, 10:32:54 AM

I will send you some links.  These are beautiful figures and all of them have some guidance and or options as to heraldry.


mark  8)


P.S.  One easy stop is Berliner Zinnfiguren which sells these figures and shows a painted version of each set.

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: zinnmartina on January 31, 2018, 10:41:10 AM

HI,

the Berliner Zinnfiguren have some Knights in offer with animated paintings.

https://www.zinnfigur.com/Flachfiguren/Unbemalt/Militaergeschichte/Mittelalter/Ritter/

at warflag you can find some Banners

http://warflag.com/flags/medieval/franceselect.shtml

And from Denmark http://www.krigsspil.dk/download/download_3.html

Hope this can help you.

Have fun

Zinnmartina


Hope this can help you.

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: Erich on January 31, 2018, 01:16:45 PM

and a link to Wolfgang Friedrich...


and some pics



http://www.zinnfigurenfreunde-leipzig.de/her/wf/wf-1.htm

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: marko on January 31, 2018, 01:46:52 PM

Also if you Google Jorg Hensel and look at the images he has done a number of first class examples of these sets - not to mention his work is wonderful to look at...


mark  8)

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: nmrocks on February 01, 2018, 09:56:06 AM

Thank you all for your help, I will post pics of the results when I get them.
Ray

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: willie on February 01, 2018, 07:08:40 PM

Ray you might try LE Costume L;Armure ET LES Armes AU Temps De La Chevalerie  two volumes by Liliane and Fred Funcken :o Osprey Men at Arms series French Medieval Armies  1000- 1300.  :o Willie.

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: BobLeighton on February 23, 2018, 12:42:25 PM

Ray
try finding website krigsspil.dk really  useful website, also try flags and banners of the hundred years war in google or Bing should bring up information.
kindest regards
Bob

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: nmrocks on February 23, 2018, 04:18:13 PM

Thank you Bob,
 Looks like it has possibilities! I've kind of done the same, I found a great little site with 1/72 scale color stickers of shields for the Crecy battle on both sides with text naming of who's house they belong to. https://www.tsminiaturen.de/  very inexpensive, I plan to just keep them all for reference material. I am working with Fernando's painters now on the figures, I will post pics as we progress.
Sincerly,
Ray

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: shogun on February 23, 2018, 06:17:31 PM

Hope this is helpfull.The red oriflame need a green frame.

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: nmrocks on February 24, 2018, 10:11:40 AM

Thank you Ralf, these are beautifully done!
Ray

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: Scott Johnson on February 27, 2018, 10:01:46 PM

Hi Ray,


I know you send out your figures to be painted, but have you tried painting yourself?


These guys look to be an easy start  ;)

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: nmrocks on February 28, 2018, 06:32:45 AM

Scott,
 I'd love to, but for me it would be a case of reinventing the wheel, I would have to go thru a trial and error process from the most basics of how to paint the flat. Oils vs Acrylics, how thin is thinning the paints, color scales, shading etc.
I've always envied the German clubs that get together with experienced painters to learn the basics and then refine a technic, have beers and share and learn the art. I've thought of taking art classes at the local community college but I think there would be a huge difference between painting a canvas and painting a 30mm flat figure :D
Ray
By the way I did receive from the site I mentioned the shields of Crecy with a corresponding list of titles, very handy, they have a series of flags at Crecy which I'm going to pick up as well

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: Brian on February 28, 2018, 07:51:12 AM

"it would be a case of reinventing the wheel, I would have to go thru a trial and error process from the most basics of how to paint the flat"

We have all been there!! 

my wheels always come out with a flat here and a bump there hahaha

Have a go Ray you got nothing to loos  ;)

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: willie on February 28, 2018, 10:14:56 AM

LOOK Ray :o every one has his own style in painting ??? I learn something every time I sit down at my paint table. I get more on my hands then I do on the figure :P Use the paint that you like  Oils or Acrylics and if you cant paint the flags and shields then go to the war game site and look at the decals and flags for sale 28 mm would be the close to the figures. I think it is a great Idea to learn from other people if its in a club or a show or YU TUBE :o I ought to know when I moved down to Southern FL I join a toy soldier club and at one meeting voiced the same thing. Well this is what I got I have been painting for  45 year and we don't  need to learn anything. So fast forward to this year and there show and now we need to do things to keep the club going ,get the picture.  :o You know what I have been painting a set of Boxer Chines I got from my mother in 1965  :o I do not know how many times I have painted them and turned around and striped them and started over :P . As for reinventing the wheel every day when I get up I do that ::) As for going back to school to take a art class I  would go for it. I would take the figure painting class ??? As for color mixing I think I have talked about a couple of books on the subject.  Color Mixing Recipes for Landscapes, For Portraits, Color Mixing Recipes.by Walter Foster. So that's about it hang in there and paint. Willie

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: nmrocks on March 01, 2018, 09:52:10 AM

Thank you Guys,
 Yes, you are absolutely correct, I've just been spoiled by seeing the great fine detail done by the artists on this forum, heck! I can't even find a brush small enough to do the fine lettering I see on some of the shields, flags, bags etc.! ???
Ray

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: nmrocks on March 08, 2018, 09:05:24 AM

I see fernando ent. posted some of there Museum qality work. here is the progress in my commission.
Ray

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: PJDeluhery on March 08, 2018, 09:46:02 AM

Very nice work, Ray. I think you will be happy with these when they return.

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: nmrocks on March 09, 2018, 07:22:53 AM

Good to hear from you PJ, Yes they are coming out quite nicely!

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: nmrocks on March 19, 2018, 01:38:12 PM

Another French Knight complete

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: Hannibal on March 19, 2018, 07:16:55 PM

..... superb !! looks perfect!

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: nmrocks on March 20, 2018, 07:39:02 AM

Thank you Michel, here's another

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: nmrocks on March 21, 2018, 08:56:24 AM

Sweet!

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: PJDeluhery on March 21, 2018, 09:56:31 AM

Beautiful work!!

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: trevor morgan on March 21, 2018, 04:31:15 PM

looking good nice paint job.

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: nmrocks on March 22, 2018, 10:47:15 AM

A couple more

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: willie on March 22, 2018, 05:37:41 PM

Very Nice 8) Willie

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: nmrocks on March 23, 2018, 09:27:55 AM

Thanks Willie!

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: nmrocks on March 24, 2018, 10:27:27 AM

The last of this commission, can't wait to get this group of French Knight into my greedy little hands!! ;D
Ray

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: nmrocks on April 09, 2018, 09:56:49 AM

Just got these figures back from Fernando Enterprises and I couldn't be happier! beautifully done. I have to thank th members of the forum for there help and guidance that got me to the resources for the figures and accurate colors for painting.
Our Hobby may not be embraced by the masses(yet) but it is alive and well! The quality of design and castings is high, as well as the passion for this art form. Most people I introduce these miniature works of art to are jaw dropping impressed as am I with each new figure.
Thank you all for your help and comradery!
Ray


one last time with this group:
   

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: nmrocks on April 09, 2018, 10:00:04 AM

I'm already working with the folks in Sri Lanka on the next group.
Ray

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: Hannibal on April 09, 2018, 11:33:48 AM

They are really lovely !!

But nothing gives me more pleasure to try to paint them by myself ...  slowly progressing in quality over the past years.
I have the flats at home on my (very long) waiting list, but History is so wide that there is alays another new discovery that pushes the list down ....

I need days of 36 hours instead of 17-18 ....

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: willie on April 09, 2018, 12:08:08 PM

Very nice Ray :o Willie

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: Hannibal on April 09, 2018, 12:15:27 PM

I painted Raoul de Lorraine in 90 mm size 18 months ago .... same heraldy!! (He died during the battle at 26)

(https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/19/31/59/25/raoul_10.jpg)

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: marko on April 09, 2018, 01:20:24 PM

These are wonderful Ray, congratulations!


And to those talking about the joy of painting, to each his own.  With results like these - which are outstanding - what a nice set to add to the collection.  (Not really that different from purchasing an already painted set from a noted painter really.)


Personally, I have enough figures in my backlog for the next 90 or so years - this may be a future option for me and part of my figures as well.


Some of us are painters, some of us are painters - some slow like me, some of us are collectors - and some are a little of both.  (There has also been quite a few figures of a collector in Europe that had all of his figures unpainted - enjoying the beauty of engraved figures.) 


My unasked for two cents on just enjoying Ray's beautiful figures of which he has shown many.


mark  8)


P.S. Michel your figure is stunning as well.

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: nmrocks on April 10, 2018, 08:07:01 AM

Very Nice Michel! I actually saw this picture on Pinterest I believe after I sent the commission in and was ready to use it as reference should it be needed

Quote from: Hannibal on April 09, 2018, 12:15:27 PM

I painted Raoul de Lorraine in 90 mm size 18 months ago .... same heraldy!! (He died during the battle at 26)

(https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/19/31/59/25/raoul_10.jpg)

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: nmrocks on April 10, 2018, 08:22:56 AM

Thank you Mark,
I would actually enjoy attempting to paint flats but I would need group therapy! like the clubs in Germany. I wonder if there is any interest in some kind of localized get together of flat painters and wanna be flat painters on a semi regular basis maybe once or twice a year? There has got to be a handful of flat collectors/painters in Texas? Meet one saturday? share some collections and lessons on painting, a couple of adult beverages and dinner ( probably barbeque down here in the lone star state!). I saw that Steve Lloyd of "the Flat tin figures" site has moved to Texas, got to be a few more?
Do you have a community of "flatties" in Oregon?
Ray

Title: Re: French knights at Crecy
Post by: Richard on April 10, 2018, 10:45:22 AM

Hello Michel

Not only you collect and improve the pictures, you paint too and you are a good painter.
Congratulations.

Richard