Otto Gottstein

[Scott Johnson]

John,


Well I can always hope. 


Scott

[johnb]

Hi Scott,


I will keep you in mind if ever I rationalise my collection in earnest.  If you would like to email me (my details are at the back of the Journal under Australian Area rep) then I can correspond.


regards
John

[Scott Johnson]

So where are we now on this topic?


John, are you interested in selling these flats?

[aba]

Yes the carbago sets are painted similar to "factory" painting and show up occasionally at auctions. In these descriptions it is stated they were painted by Mr. Carmen.


https://www.vectis.co.uk/carbago-bill-carmen-historical-and-educational-figures-1947-50-30mm-flats-designed-and-painted-in-conjunction-with-otto-gottstein-comprising-set-the-ancient-britons-and-king-cararctacus-8-pce-set-set-the-ancient-britons-and-queen-boadicea-8-pce-set_13079


https://www.vectis.co.uk/carbago-bill-carmen-historical-and-educational-figures-1947-50-30mm-flats-designed-and-painted-in-conjunction-with-otto-gottstein-comprising-set-1-kings-and-queens-of-england-42-in-set-from-william-the-conqueror-to-george-vi-5-monarchs-missing-set-2_23295

[johnb]

Dear all,

I have a couple of small CARBAGO sets (issued by CArmen, BArnes and GOttstein according to Garrett - Model Soldiers for the Connoisseur).  There are around 8 figures in each my sets and taken from series such as Henry V111.  The painting is unfortunately similar to the simple factory painting of German edited figures of the time, but I find them interesting historical curios given they were edited by such prestigious names in the collector field and marked an early attempt to foster flats collecting in UK.

John Brewer
Sydney

[aba]

Dear Profjohn,


sounds quite interesting. And would be very interesting to have some photos. Gottstein lived in London for many years and if those figures have already been presented in the 1930 exhibition at Grassi Museum of Leipzig which was organized by Gottstein they might have been painted by one of his favorite painters of that time i.e. Douchkine, Kemnow, Glaser etc.


Some examples of Douchkine you will find here to compare


http://www.flats-zinnfiguren.com/douchkine/douchkinegallery.html


Best regards


Alexander


 

[BobLeighton]

Hello Eric
Perhaps better known as Carbago, the figures Gottstein produced in England with I think Carman cant really remember the exact name.
regards
 Bob

[errant49]

Hi Bob


Carmen ?


Eric

[Profjohn]

Thanks for the responses everyone. The painting is of the highest quality so my guess is that one of the experts out there might well recognise a known painter or provenance from a known collection. They are in the U.K. so I'll need to think about how to get a photo or two. All the best from Tasmania.

[BobLeighton]

Hello Eric
I think you will find that there were factory painted Gottstein figures, the ones issued by Carmen were definitely painted  commercially.
Regards
Bob

[errant49]

Hi John
Marko is right
Just post some pictures and you will get good advises by members
There were no factory paints of Gottstein figures
So yours probably have been painted by a collector or a professionnal painter
It is worth to see
Eric

[marko]

John, if you post some pictures you should get some opinions.  Unless they are beautifully painted or by a recognizable painter they are probably not worth too much.  It’s very hard to get rich selling flats.


Still, lovely to collect though...


Mark 

[Profjohn]

G'day from Tasmania. I am new to this forum but have a lifelong interest in flats although only a small collection- my main figures are for wargaming. In my collection I have about 40 ancients figures - a Carthaginian elephant, various Assyrian mounted, foot and chariot and what look like Persian cavalry: these were bought for me by my mother in 1964 and were presented as by Otto Gottstein and exhibited at Leipzig in 1933. I don't know about the exhibition but looking at what I can see on the internet they are certainly Gottstein. They are beautifully painted as you'd expect. I've been downsizing and am thinking of selling these but I don't know the market. I imagine they are reasonably valuable - they are in good condition although there is some paint loss on some (years of overheated houses I imaagine). They have been kept in the glass case in which I was given them since 1964. Can anyone advise me? I will probably sell all all my flats in the end but this might be a start.