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Title: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on March 21, 2023, 07:40:36 AM
Hello,
I started with a larger project which I had in mind for some years now. It´s the burgundy army of Charles the Bold on the march. The figures are mainly edited by Lehnart, Dangelmaier and Fechner.


The first group I´m going to show is Antoine de Bourgogne, half brother of Duke Charles the Bold and known as "Le grand batard".
Here he is with some of his followers and his personal standart and banner. The red livree I´m have painted on some of the figures was recorded for his archers in 1465.


Christoph


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/20/2726-200323164225.jpeg)

Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: merlino on March 21, 2023, 08:26:05 AM
WOW ! Compliments!   ;) :)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Jean_Paul on March 21, 2023, 08:28:39 AM
Nice ... 8)


I send 2 mails with the contact page from Lehnart website but i have no answer ... I need some help, i want order flats


Thanks


JP
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: John Alberts on March 21, 2023, 09:58:09 AM
Beautifully painted set, the reds stand out!  Well done
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Hannibal on March 24, 2023, 09:12:34 AM
Jean Paul,
Over one year ago, I contacted Dr Lehnart to order one serie of knights; good relationship and shipping of the flats.  But my laptop was contaminated by a liquidrop on the keyboard, and during transpotion of the data, my email files were lost/erased, so I can't recover the address.  However I used the link from the web site.


I have seen Dr Lehnart published some painting of his wife recently on Facdebook, perhaps you can try to contact him through that channel.  Another manner is to call him by telephone directly in Germany.  he lives near Trier (Trèves) across the boder of Belgium/France/Luxembourg and he probably even speaks a few words of French !!!  and surely English.


I continue searching in my files too....


Michel
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on March 26, 2023, 07:15:36 AM
Thank you.
Here is the next group.  Some homme d'armes, heavy armoured horsemen, as futher addition to Antoine de Bourgogne.


Christoph


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/20/2726-250323045313.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christian on March 26, 2023, 04:12:41 PM



Wonderful work, Christoph!!!!


Like it!


BG Christian
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: John Alberts on March 26, 2023, 09:36:37 PM
Happy to see these beautiful flats.
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on April 01, 2023, 02:49:28 AM
Hello,
Here is the next one, four banners of burbundy provinces. From left to right: Flanders, Burgundy, Geldern, Artois


Christoph



(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/20/2726-310323164559.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: errant49 on April 01, 2023, 10:04:25 AM
Always this particular way with so much character
Very nice set
Eric
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Grimm on April 02, 2023, 03:07:22 AM
Many nice figures.
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: snagy on April 06, 2023, 12:51:46 PM
Very nice paintwork on nice figures, Christoph!
I like them!
Sandor
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on April 07, 2023, 05:33:02 AM
Thanks again.

Here are the next figures. Banners of Limburg, Holland and Franche Comte.

(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/20/2726-070423052007.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on April 15, 2023, 02:51:35 AM
Next is a group of heralds and persevants lead by the King of Arms.


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/20/2726-150423024718.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Hannibal on April 15, 2023, 04:01:33 AM
Bravo  Christoph!
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: John Alberts on April 15, 2023, 02:17:06 PM
Great details, very effective heraldry!  Great painting!
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christian on April 18, 2023, 05:03:33 PM
Wow!!!


Well done, Christoph!


BG Christian
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on April 22, 2023, 06:01:41 AM
Thanks again.


Here are the rest of the heralds and persevants.


Christoph


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/20/2726-220423055832.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: John Alberts on April 22, 2023, 03:59:22 PM
Wow, impressive painting on nearly a 30 figure set.  Great work
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on April 30, 2023, 03:59:53 AM
Hello,
next picture shows some archers of the ducal lifeguard with one of the banners taken by the swiss in 1476.


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/20/2726-300423034929.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: snagy on April 30, 2023, 07:45:20 AM
Nice paintwork - as usual!
I particularly like the banner!!!
Sandor
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: John Alberts on April 30, 2023, 11:00:40 AM
Details standout , appreciate the approach to completing this set.
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christian on April 30, 2023, 05:00:39 PM
Wow, well done!


BG Christian

Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on May 12, 2023, 05:50:19 PM

Thanks.
Next picture shows the great banner of Burgundy and the personal banner of duke Charles the bold. Followed by the ducal pages.


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/20/2726-120523174237.jpeg)


Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: snagy on May 13, 2023, 02:03:24 AM
Beautiful work, Christoph!
Very nice banners!
Did you painted them in oils?
Or first prepare a bases in acrylic paints and then the "fine work" was done in oils?
What kind of primer did you use?
Anyway, nice work!!!
Sandor
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Hannibal on May 13, 2023, 03:09:40 AM
Stunning as before!!
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on May 13, 2023, 06:52:34 AM
Thank you.


I only paint with acryl coloures.
The priming is done with black acryl. Normally I mix the paint for priming with a lot of water, so the paint is very thin. Normally I repeat that three or four times to get a closed black surface but thin enough to see the engraving.


Christoph
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: merlino on May 13, 2023, 06:53:51 AM
compliments!  Great work!   :D ;)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: shogun on May 13, 2023, 07:43:41 AM
And I like the banners. Great paint-job!
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Grimm on May 14, 2023, 03:38:32 AM
A very nice collection. Well done.
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christian on May 19, 2023, 03:26:03 PM
No words...


Wonderful, Christoph!
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Erich on May 20, 2023, 06:20:34 AM
Very fine work!
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: willie on May 20, 2023, 01:27:16 PM
 
   Nice job well done Willie
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on May 25, 2023, 03:49:55 PM
Thank you.
Here is the man himself.
First four sergant de arms and then Charles the Bold with four bodyguards on foot. Followed by two of his captains.
Christoph


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/20/2726-250523154352.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: snagy on May 26, 2023, 02:44:14 AM
The usual, high-level work.
I like them!!!
Sandor
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: John Alberts on May 26, 2023, 10:58:17 AM
Excellently painted series, I am struck in this grouping by the detail painting--well done.
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: merlino on May 26, 2023, 12:32:17 PM
 :)   excellent !  ;)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on June 06, 2023, 08:54:24 AM
Thanks


Next goal is to complete the vanguard.


So here is the first part. Two trompeters, a captain with a local nobleman, serving as guide. Next is the captain's page riding his masters warhorse, carrying his helmet and lance. Followed by a homme de armes.


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/20/2726-060623084232.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: John Alberts on June 06, 2023, 10:31:05 AM
What is your preferred method for displaying series of flats?
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on June 06, 2023, 12:08:58 PM
That is a good question I'm thinking about at the moment.
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: merlino on June 06, 2023, 12:26:12 PM
WOW  !!!!
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: snagy on June 07, 2023, 12:36:53 AM
Very nice!
I like the blazon on the first trompeter!
The "metallic" finish on the neck-armor of the last but one horse is also a hit!
Sandor
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: böckchen on June 07, 2023, 03:46:29 AM
I don't like the horse efforts.  You look unreal.  Everything without real color direction of light and shadow.  I'm sorry.  The main thing is colorful..
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Hannibal on June 07, 2023, 12:36:18 PM
The intense black/dark lining of the characters give a very special brand onto these paintings, a kind of cartoon characters, like Mickey Mouse , but not on paper, but in the space.


This style is very unique to Christoph, giving a strange but beautiful aspect to the characters.


The observation of a white background is valid, white is probably the worst background to give, because it darken strongly the colours to the eyes of the spectator and reader.  Black emphasize the colour le most but is uniform.


Probably a light brown or creamy tone would reduce this contrast, that human eyes cannot withstand without reacting.  To give normal colours, we have to lighten the picture and the white background will become so luminous that it will hurt the eyes, like looking at someone placed between the sun and yourself !!
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christian on June 09, 2023, 04:53:57 PM
Well done again, Christoph!!


BG Christian
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on June 16, 2023, 09:10:54 AM

Thanks for your comments.
Here is the next picture. This time more homme de armes of the vanguard with to banners. The red one is based on a burgundy banner taken by the swiss.




(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/20/2726-160623090311.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: snagy on June 16, 2023, 09:39:12 AM
At long last there is something new!!!!
Very nice!
Especially I like the meticulous rendering of the Burgund-banner!
I haven't seen the second banner (on the red-base) yet - how did it come from?
Anyway: nice work Christoph!
Sandor
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on June 17, 2023, 02:40:18 AM
Thank you, Sandor.


The red banner can be found in the Freiburger Fahnenbuch. Sadly there are no further information where it was taken or to who it belonged.
Together with some other it does not follow the pattern of the banners of the burgundy ordonnance compagnies. So the function of this banner is not quiet clear and I decided to use it for the vanguard together with some other not ordonnance banner  I 'm going to paint.


Christoph




Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Grimm on June 17, 2023, 03:03:17 AM
Very nice.
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: willie on June 17, 2023, 06:47:06 AM



 Nice Job well done 8)  Willie
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on June 24, 2023, 05:53:13 AM
Thanks.
Here is the next.
A group of coustilliers, lighter armed horsemen following the homme de armes.


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/20/2726-240623054850.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on July 01, 2023, 02:39:40 AM
Hello,
Today's picture shows a group of mounted archers and crossbow men, lead by their captain.
Christoph


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/20/2726-010723023606.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: snagy on July 01, 2023, 05:11:49 AM
Very nice - as usual, Christoph!
But - I think - we haven't heard about the outcome of your continuously growing Burgundian army?
Are you planning a diorama populated with these figures?
I would be also curious how do you display/store the figures at present?
In glass-vitrine?
Have a nice weekend and enjoy the paintwork!
Sandor
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on July 02, 2023, 04:45:23 PM
I'm not really sure, how to present the hole thing. I don't think that I'm going to build a diorama. The plan is to present the figures a way like on the photos here. So maybe vitrine with some board above  each other.
Christoph
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on July 07, 2023, 10:29:26 AM
Hello,
Next picture shows some more mounted archers including a banner.
As I told you before I'm doing a lot of research when painting my figures. So I found a picture of this banner and some others of that style in the swiss "Berner Schilling Chronik". It is quite different from the style of the banners of the burgundy ordonnance compagnies.
But if you had a look to scoures about the banners taken by the swiss from the burgundy between 1474 and 1477 you will also find a number of banners that didn't match the ordonnance style.
So for this unit I painted the banner as shown in the Berner Schilling Chronik.


For all of you how like to take a closer look to the Schilling Chronik have a look here, the banner can be found on page 203:
 https://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/de/thumbs/bbb/Mss-hh-I0003

(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/20/2726-070723100545.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on July 14, 2023, 09:40:25 AM
Hello,
Here is the next. First part of a group of burgundy foot soldiers. Lead by their captain, a mounted banner bearer and two mounted archers as the captains bodyguards. The banner is taken from the Schilling Chronik as well in my last post.


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/20/2726-140723093321.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: merlino on July 14, 2023, 10:29:52 AM
wonderful !
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: snagy on July 15, 2023, 04:02:29 AM
I also like it!!!!
Sandor
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on July 26, 2023, 06:15:12 AM
Hello,
here is the rest of the foot soldiers.
(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/20/2726-260723061110.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: John Alberts on July 26, 2023, 10:06:14 AM
The pinnacle of flat painting, to me, are the groupings telling the story as the producers intended.  Great series very well researched with superb painting skills.  Did these men at arms have a good day or bad day on the battlefield?
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on July 26, 2023, 10:41:55 AM
Don't tell them to much, John. They are on the way to Grandson to  battle with the swiss...


Thanks for your comment.


Christoph
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Grimm on July 26, 2023, 12:46:35 PM
Nice panted group.
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: snagy on July 26, 2023, 01:41:03 PM
Well done Christoph!
Sandor
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on August 04, 2023, 10:02:40 AM
Thank you


Next are some heavy armoured homme d'armes with their Coustilliers


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/20/2726-040823095849.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on August 15, 2023, 11:57:40 AM
So here is the next picture,  four mounted trumphets in burgundy livree


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/20/2726-150823115343.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: snagy on August 15, 2023, 01:39:02 PM
Nicely elaborated flags!
I also like the figures!
Sandor
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Erich on August 15, 2023, 01:52:52 PM
Nice work - I like it!
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: John Alberts on August 16, 2023, 10:18:22 AM
Beautiful work on the blue colors; the heraldry is very convincing for 30mm size.  Nice knights and entourage as well, a pleasure to see your painting skills and hard work.
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: marko on August 16, 2023, 11:39:55 AM
Agree, these are superb.


Mark
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on August 17, 2023, 04:47:36 AM
Thanks.
The first three of the figures edited by Mr Lehnart,  the last one is by Mr Fechner. This figure is a bit different in the style of clothing so I placed it on the rear. You may see the different style of headwear.
You are right, the small flags with the burgundy arms are a bit of a challenge. I was thinking of painting some other stuff on it like the burgundy cross. But that would not show the same effect. So I'm glad you like it.
Christoph

Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on August 26, 2023, 04:33:27 AM
Hello,
Next is a burgundy captain with a herold, some homme de armes and his banner.
A 17th century copy of the original banner can be found in a Museum in Appenzell. It is on of many unidentified banners taken by the swiss during the burgundy war. This one showing St. Georg killing the dragon, three dolphins and the monogramm "CC".
The figure of the banner bearer is from Golberg, now Dangelmaier. I added some "green stuff" to get the right shape for the banner.

(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/20/2726-260823041913.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: John Alberts on August 26, 2023, 06:03:33 PM
Excellent modelling as well as impressive painting.  Great work
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: merlino on August 27, 2023, 10:30:59 AM
excellent work!  ;)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on September 08, 2023, 06:07:05 AM
Hello,
Thank you for your comments.
Next is  a group of mounted archers wearing the livery of Antoine de Bourgogne,  brother of Charles the bold. Antoine employed archers as his personal lifeguard in 1465. I found no informations if these lifeguard exists in later years when Charles reorganised the ducal guard but I'm pretty sure that high ranking persons still had their own lifeguard.
Christoph





(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/20/2726-080923055223.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: shogun on September 10, 2023, 03:08:17 AM
A nice project. Especially the heraldry is great!
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: snagy on September 10, 2023, 04:08:47 AM
Hi Christoph, good morning!
Nice paintworks - as usual!!
Waiting for the next ones!!! ;D
Sandor
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: John Alberts on September 10, 2023, 11:57:23 AM
Nobility, knights, jousts, heralds, archers and trying to guess what comes next:  men at war on foot.  Beautiful work done on these flats and very large series/set.
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on September 21, 2023, 04:14:26 PM
Thanks
Today some more banners. The first one is from the Freiburger Fahnenbuch,  the second can be found in the Berner Schilling Chronik  and the last one is painted after a surviving original which is now at the Landesmuseum at Zürich.
Christoph


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2726-210923160448.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: John Alberts on September 21, 2023, 09:14:53 PM
Top notch research together with excellent painting, very impressive and enlightening.
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on October 03, 2023, 10:36:02 AM
Hello,
Next picture shows some mounted crossbow men with their banner. The original banner can be found at the Zeughaus in Solothurn,  Swiss.


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2726-031023103230.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: John Alberts on October 04, 2023, 11:47:12 AM
And add impressive dedication to this series!
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: snagy on October 04, 2023, 12:17:53 PM
Very nice, Christoph!
I highly appreciate the heraldic layout of the banner!
Well done!
Sandor
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on October 18, 2023, 09:44:05 AM
Hello,
Next is the first part of the ducal guard. The captain is leading some homme d'armes followed by coustilliers


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2726-181023093745.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: John Alberts on October 18, 2023, 10:44:34 AM
What do the blue/white pennants with red "X" represent?
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on October 18, 2023, 11:21:46 AM
Hello John.,
Blue and white with the red cross of St Andrew was the livery of Charles the bold and the same coloures were used for the pennons as well. He indroduced this livery in the early 1470 years for the whole burgundy army together with the system of the ordonnance compagnies.
Christoph
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: John Alberts on October 18, 2023, 09:55:35 PM
Thank you, had not realized the amount of military organization and uniformity Charles the Bold had achieved in the 15th century, for that time he must have been considered an innovator.
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on October 19, 2023, 01:16:05 AM
It was quite common in the late 15th century to use livery coats to give troops a uniform look.
The englisch made great use of it in the war of roses. For example the livery of Richard III was red and blue.
In 1465 the burgundy army had worn many different liveries of local commanders.
What Charles did was to replace all this different liveries by one burgundy livery.  Other livery coloures were only allowed for the personal guards of high ranking personalities.
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: snagy on October 19, 2023, 02:55:33 AM
Interesting information about the livery used in the 15c.
Thank you, Christoph.
Sandor
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: John Alberts on October 19, 2023, 10:11:46 AM
Yes, so your next series will be Richard III's retinue and army! Great information and such a beautifully painted series educates as well as being aesthetic.
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on November 03, 2023, 06:14:07 AM
Hello,
here is the rest of my burgundy ducal guard.


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2726-031123061049.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: snagy on November 03, 2023, 06:46:27 AM
Hi Christoph - it's good to see your developments: the usual nice paintwork and heraldic representation.
By the way I got to be worried about our society, since there was no post since October 29. :(
Nice weekend!
Sandor
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Hannibal on November 03, 2023, 08:22:05 AM
A little five days .... but do we kno how many active members we are today (I mean who have posted someting since .... let us say  durong the last 365 days on a total of how many???
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: John Alberts on November 03, 2023, 08:52:42 AM
Beautiful work
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on November 12, 2023, 08:29:32 AM
Thanks.
Here is the next. Three high ranking noblemen and two more mounted archers of the guard.
Christoph


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2726-121123082612.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: snagy on November 12, 2023, 10:24:07 AM
Nice work, Christoph - thank you for showing!
 :D
Sandor
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: John Alberts on November 12, 2023, 01:53:49 PM
The blue cape caught my attention.  Excellent work on the blue colors!
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on November 26, 2023, 03:10:10 PM

Thanks
Next are three unidentified banners.  All taken by the swiss in the burgundy war.


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2726-261123150551.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: John Alberts on November 26, 2023, 09:54:21 PM
How many pieces are you up to?  Any support pieces--trees, wagons, bushes on the horizon?
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: snagy on November 26, 2023, 11:40:18 PM
Beautiful banners!
I like them!!!
Sandor
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Erich on November 27, 2023, 04:34:33 AM
Very fine work, Christoph!


Erich
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on December 14, 2023, 09:59:48 AM
Hello,
The next one is Louis de Châlons Chatel-Guyon. One of the captains of Charles the bold. He was killed at Grandson 1476 when leading the left burgundy wing against the swiss.


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2726-141223095319.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: John Alberts on December 14, 2023, 12:04:15 PM
Excellent detail painting.
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: snagy on December 14, 2023, 11:31:48 PM
Very nice work, Christoph!
I like it!
May we get a closer photo of the banners - vou know the Burgundy-theme is one of my most favorite topics?!
Thank you!
Sandor
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Erich on December 15, 2023, 02:34:02 AM
Once again very nice work, Christoph!


Erich

Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christoph on December 15, 2023, 12:48:49 PM
Thanks.
Here is the close up of Louis de Châlons himself and the banners. A drawing of the tabard of Louis de Châlons can be found in the Freiburger Fahnenbuch. It shows his coat of arms.  The banner in the middle is his personal banner which is documented in the Fahnenbuch of Solothurn. The banner on the right is based on a picture in Diebold Schilling 's Burgunder Chronik showing the coat of arms of Louis de Châlons.
Christoph



(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2726-151223123553.jpeg)
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: snagy on December 16, 2023, 01:44:47 AM
Very nice!
Thank you for showing amd for the detailed explanation, Christoph!
Best regards-
Sandor
Title: Re: Burgundy
Post by: Christian on December 26, 2023, 04:12:58 PM
Top!!!


BG Christian