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Title: What is that in the left hand?
Post by: snagy on September 14, 2023, 04:58:19 AM

Hi Friends, good morning!
I am just about to start painting the Richelieu figure of Gottstein, when I came up against the problem:
What does the figure hold in his left hand (see the arrow on the pic)?
Is there any idea?
Cheers - Sandor


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2574-140923045133.jpeg)

Title: Re: What is that in the left hand?
Post by: malcysparrer on September 14, 2023, 12:16:52 PM

Hi Sandor,


I just searched on google for images of Cardinal Richelieu & in many of the paintings he is holding his Biretta hat in his hand. Hope this helps !


Regards
Malcolm

Title: Re: What is that in the left hand?
Post by: snagy on September 15, 2023, 12:19:51 AM

Thank you for the help Malcolm!
That's it!


(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/21/2574-150923001816.jpeg)

Title: Re: What is that in the left hand?
Post by: Hannibal on September 15, 2023, 11:01:33 AM

I looked too, but the 'beretta" is squared and has not such a fixation line as it would be for an helmet, but he would have an armour.


If I had to paint, i would just erase it and only keep his left hand hanging !! 


Not such a hard work, and no single canvas painting is representing him exactly the pose that he has on this engraving .  I even looked at the paintings of Cardinal Mazarin ...

(https://i87.servimg.com/u/f87/19/31/59/25/pictur95.jpg)

Title: Re: What is that in the left hand?
Post by: socko47 on September 16, 2023, 01:14:49 PM

To me it looks like a basket. I did not see a similar internet image with him in the same dress as the flat!

Title: Re: What is that in the left hand?
Post by: willie on September 16, 2023, 08:14:37 PM

 I agree with socko47 its a basket . Willie

Title: Re: What is that in the left hand?
Post by: archigrog on September 17, 2023, 07:16:45 AM

Recent picture of the same flat see on ebay (account by Eric Talmant)....seems to be a cardinal hat...


have a nice Sunday,

Claudio

Title: Re: What is that in the left hand?
Post by: plyoung on September 17, 2023, 11:57:11 AM

Yes, I agree. It looks like the soft skull-cap a man of the church might wear on occasion.  See the attached image of Pope Innocent X by Velazquez c.1650.

Title: Re: What is that in the left hand?
Post by: plyoung on September 17, 2023, 12:00:25 PM

Hopefully, I've managed to attach the image this time!

Title: Re: What is that in the left hand?
Post by: willie on September 17, 2023, 06:44:33 PM

     I think you may be right  :o  Willie That's what I  like about this club always ready to help with things if you have a question.

Title: Re: What is that in the left hand?
Post by: snagy on September 18, 2023, 02:40:29 AM

Thank you Gents for the help!
I shall be back with the picture of the ready-made figure.
Have a nice day!!! ;)
Sandor