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Flat Figures Painters Forum => Figure Identification/Search => Topic started by: Hannibal on February 22, 2022, 12:28:17 PM
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Does it exist a list of Scholtz flats, middle age ?
Which vendors are distributing these flats?
Thank you
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Hannibal your question is a bit unclear what you are asking - at least to me?
I assume you are asking about Scholtz flats related to the Middle Ages?
Scholtz or Berliner Zinnfiguren sells many things in this area, their own line, molds then have purchased and also flats edited by others. Their site is searchable by era split between Military and Civilian themes. They also produce a very nice catalog of the Scholtz line of figures many with drawings.
Hopefully this answers your question, they sell many flats from third parties - I don't know of an overall list? However, if you look at the tracking number for a set - something line 101/38 - the first part of the number is the vendor, i.e. if 101 was Friedrich you could search on 101 and find all of their flats.
-cheers
mark
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Which vendors are distributing these flats?
Thank you
@Hannibal, I think you have to turn the question upside down:
Scholtz is distributor for other editors.
I never heard of an editor, who sells (regularily) Scholtz figures.
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Thank you for speedy reply .. I noticed that Berliner ZF is selling occasionally some Scholtz figures, I found of tonight in two of the Ber ZF list !!! THANK YOU ...
I have also several marked 'EH', presumably Ernst Henninges ? does it exist a catalogue? or list?
Purpose is to identify the flat, its period, and therefore its colours and integration in a country.
Is there also a site for Scholtz figures, or are they distributed via Berliner ZF?
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Well - Berliner Zinnfiguren is Scholtz.Werner Scholtz was the father of Hans Günther Scholtz the currently owner of Berliner Zinnfiguren.
There is a "Zinnfiguren-Verzeichnis" of all Scholtz-Figures to buy on the website
https://www.zinnfigur.com/Flachfiguren/Kataloge/Figuren-Verzeichnis-der-Berliner-Zinnfiguren.html
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Thank you very much, Gerhard, it is an excellent idea indeed !!!
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Hello Michel,
You have also another catalog from Scholtz with different categories.
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Berliner ZF is much expensive for example
The surrender of breda : 26,5€ without shipping
https://www.zinnfigur.com/en/Flat-Figures/Blank-Figures/Military-History/17th-Century-oxid/Thirty-Years-War/Surrender-of-the-City-of-Breda-1625.html
Martin Bock ... 18,8€ with shipping UE !!!!
http://www.zinnfiguren-bock.de/warenkorb.php
I prefer order to ... Bock, Schmalkalder, Friedrich or Lenhart .... (before brexit Brian)
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Thank you for your pertinent information.
My concern is , without being an historian, aware of the details of costumes, armour changes with the periods in history, is to be able to identify what I have acquired over the years, for many in second hands against the identifications that the producer (engraver, drawer, editor) have represented, like as example the participants of this Breda diorama ....
In the XXIth centory, we still lack of clear lists and drawings and descriptions of these wonderful flats representing the History whose identifaction key is held by the (original) editor.
The recent compilation of Rick Taylor on Lueller Erfurt Middle Age figures is a fantastic tool for those interested in this perdiod, several other editors have such lists or booklets, but I speak of the others, hard to find ...
It is probably a task, a work that one of several of us should one day undertake and maintain ... I would loved have done this , but on my age, it is too late already ....
Fir what concerns the cost 26.5 or 18.8 euros for 14 flats is not a big issue; perhaps on the second hand market it cold also be acquired for less like 10 to 14 euros. Considering the drawing, engraving and material and handling cost, 2 euros for a flat is considered as cheap against the largers flats or against the ronde-bosses figures, and we are painting today these flats, not aly longer as 50 years ago as very large armies on a table (unless by exception) with a low detail quality, but like several of us (Martin, Amauro, Serge, Mickael, Jorg, Roland, Lars, ....) more spedng hours for each piece, and two euros a piece is small compared to the painting time to finish them witgh high details ....
I shall look at the descriptions given on the Berliner ZF web site agains the book (15 pages dédicated to Middle Age), and what I have to determine if it will be necessary to buy the book ...
Perhaps one day I should start selling a giid part of my grey army at killed prices, to avoid the shame of my descendant throwing them away, but rather sending them to fanatics and collectors of even unpainted figures, like me. My painting speed wojuld give me work for more than 1000 years !!
I should start by making an inventory ... then prepare sets/series.....
Any answer to the second question : [size=0px]I have also several marked 'EH', presumably Ernst Henninges ? does it exist a catalogue? or list?[/size]
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Thanks you friends !! we are all passionnate.....
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Hannibal:
I have one printed sheet that shows Henniges figures which I attach to this message.
WILKEN has perhaps 100 Henniges figures and they can be seen in the Wilken catalog. The catalog indicates the original Henniges' numbers for these figures. (You can download a copy of the catalog at their site.)
GOLBERG, on the other hand, acquired 400 or more Henniges figures and they removed the original numbers and replaced them with the GO numbers. If you look through the GOLBERG catalogs that are archived on the BFFS site under Dangelmeier, especially volumes 3 and 4, you can see the Henniges figures because they are noted at the top of the page "Ehemals Ernst Henniges." However, you will not know the original number from Henniges' lists.
Hope this is a start.
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Bingo ! tinman
several are Saracen with I.D. EH1110A, EH 1117, found in the Wilken catalogue
other serie Krz are not on your sheet, because they are footmen, not horesemen, Also Wn 1110d, Wn 1214a.
In the Goldberg catalogue I also found the 1214a in the period 1180-1220 !
Thanks a lot for your help; the period is cruzades ...
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This is such a rich time period and you have a wealth of great choices in my humble opinion.
Menz - lovely crusaders and personalities
Wolfgang Friedrich - beautifully engraved and produced
Historian Lenhart - lovely figures and some nice documentation
Not to mention some lovely figures from Ritter now with Dangelmaier and Maiers tournament figures which are fairly commonly found. Mind you these are just a few stand outs to me, lots and lots of other options.
For the first three there is some lovely documentation and for all many options as to the heraldry and approach, all good fun and a nice course of study.
Mark
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sorry I did not understand; Are these flats in the Wilken or Golberg catalog?
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No. The figures in the picture are not with Golberg or Wilken. I do not know their location. Perhaps someone else knows?
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I asked a specialist. Many of the Ernst Henniges figures have been acquired by Mr. Tobinnus of Hanover. There is even a list existing (but without drawings). The problem is, that to my knowledge Mr. Tobinnus is not selling figures anymore though I'm not entirely sure. Maybe somebody has some additional info?
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I have indeed one flat, from Henninges Tobinus, ide ntified as EH To / Bu62, but edited today in the Catalogue of Wilken as Burgundy bowman XVth Century under MB 1407b.
(https://i87.servimg.com/u/f87/19/31/59/25/f1117_10.jpg)
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I received a confirmation that Mr. Tobinnus passed away some time ago and his moulds have been separated to others. So I know his Thiel moulds went to Seele. But I have no informations where the Schirmer and other figures - he had several hundred of figures - went to.
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What I know about who took over Henninge's mouldes is that it was: Goldberg, Historia Müller, Menz, Scmittdiel, Stoll, Tappert, Tobinnus, and Wilken. It might have even been more persons. Some of Historia Müllers mouldes were later sold to Dan Hyllberg in Sweden. The Kreuzritter was sold to Menz.
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These Henninges figures in the picture are now in Offizin Menz catalog. 9.1, 9.2, 10.1 and 10.2 blat.
claudio
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I confirm .... found! ;)
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Hi there, The following figures by Tobinnus / Hennings are available from Schmalkalder Zinnfiguren:
- Ri - Knights of the Renaissance - Sp - Spanish Landsknechts - not on the website - It - Italian Landsknechts - not on the website - K and Kr. Knight - SR - Landsknechts on horseback - L - Knight
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plenty of interesting figures!!!