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Flat Figures Painters Forum => Gallery => Topic started by: snagy on April 24, 2020, 12:07:31 PM
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Friends,
here is an experimental work: painting on bare metal.
I know it is a long-time debate whether the "painted metal" or the tinted bare-metal is the more impressive in rendering the armour.
Yes, the bare-metal is nice but maybe the "painted metal" is even better.
The figure is from Blum's Schlacht bei Murten set, fig.no. 167, (the lions are decals ::) ...of course...)
Stay healthy-
Sandor
(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/16/2574-240420114815.jpeg)
(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/16/2574-240420114734.jpeg)
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Beautiful metal effect, like Eric.
Can you explain how you painted the metal to get this shiny and shadow effect?
I am preparing some knight from the Middle Age aénd I could try also ….
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very nice :)
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Very nice job well 8) Where did you get the decals :o Willie
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Thank you, Gentlemen for the feedbacks!
@ Willie: The transfers are of Andrea Miniatures, from the sheet AT-008 (Black Prince dry transfers). I have checked on their websites, but I did not find it in their production-range. [size=78%]https://www.andreaeurope.com/en/4/complements/403/andrea-dry-transfers/1679/at-008-heraldry-transfer-8.html (https://www.andreaeurope.com/en/4/complements/403/andrea-dry-transfers/1679/at-008-heraldry-transfer-8.html)[/size]
Anyway, if you need it I can send over to you sets for 1-2 banner (6-12 figures). On the sheet I have, the figures are provided in three three sizes.
I used here, the middle sized ones. They are dry transfers - easy to use them and having a thin coat of matt varnish on them, they are quites long-lasting.
@ Michel: I send a PM about the technique I used.
Take care of your health!
Best regards-
Sandor
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Man's armor is very well done, you've got it !
Eric
PS : not convinced by the decals :-\
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Thanks Sandor for your detailed explanations, quiet sophisticated and seemingly effective …
Need to get some of the products and … try. But shops are closed for three weeks more at present …. (only food and gardening).
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Great painting and looks very good.
Did not know that any english were at Murten.
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Some sources claim the Duke of Somerset was at Murten, but Edmund, Duke of Somerset was killed at Tewkesbury in 1471. His arms would have been the royal arms, the three leopards of England quartered with the three fleurs de lys of France, within a border alternately blue and white. The dukedom of Somerset did not exist in 1476 until it was resurrected by Henry VII
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Ed has perfectly right concerning the alleged participation of Duke of Somerset on the Murten-battle.
Yes, one can hardly took part on the battle 5 years after one's own death.
However he is depicted on the Murten-panorama https://www.murtenpanorama.ch/spezial/zoomify/index_de.php and I took the idea from there.
You know: creative freedom ... :P
Take care-
Sandor
(http://www.intflatfigures.org/BFFS/gallery/16/2574-250420095852.jpeg)
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…. and I guess that the lions are oriented the wrong way on the flag.
I've been trapped some years ago also during a contest for heraldic 'inaccuracies', forcing me to make careful investigations are read the rules for some time..
One learns every day, and the purpose of our forum is guidance, helping too to become better and stronger
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Hello Sandor,
as you see medival heraldic is a very dangerous thing...
I personally prefer painted armour but yours look fine!
A very nice figure!
Christoph
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I wonder if the dead Duke of Somerset survived the Battle of Murten?
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@ Ed: At least on the Panorama Murten picture he (see in the centre of the below screenshot) seemed to be in quite bad shape...
Maybe this occasion he really and irrevocably died... :'(
@Michel: About the heraldry: do you mean that the lions/leopards look forward both sides of the flag??
This case is quite a simple layout, but e.g. in case of a more sophisticated coat of arms it would look quite strange if the layout on the two sides of the banner would be not the same! So in my approach the very same layout on one side should look forward and the other side of the banner should look backward. Am I wrong?
Sandor
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Hi Sandor
I join a scheme which shows the rules to be followed in Heraldic
And yes, allways look forward !
Eric
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I do some research on the net.
A book called "Der Geschichten der Schweizer Eidgenossenschaft fünfter Teil" by Johann von Müller in 1826 mentioned a Duke of Somerset at Murten. But it is not clear which person this was. Edmund was killed at Tewkesbury in 1471 as Ed Humphreys mentioned below. His brother Henry died at Windsor in 1526. There was a third brother called Thomas of who was told that he died young and unmarried, maybe at Murten.
Sadly there is no good and detailed modern book about Murten (if you know one please let me know).
A fact is that many English served in the Burgundian army of Charles the below. Charles make much use of the longbow which was a favourite weapon of the Englich footsoldier at that period.
Charles was married to Margaret of York, the sister of the English king Eduard IV., so there where closed connections between England and Burgundy at that time.
Christoph
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Thank you for the explanations Gentlemen!
@Eric: the attached picture makes the layouts of the c.o.a.-s on the differents sides prefectly clear. That was new for me!!
Take care of your health-
Sandor
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For those interested in the legend of the Duke of Somerset, I attach a copy of an article from the journal, Medieval Warfare, and a link to the author's blog:
http://www.jcbrunner.info/hist/1476_morat_somerset.html (http://www.jcbrunner.info/hist/1476_morat_somerset.html)
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Actually it is a lesser known historical fact that the fighting spirit of the Duke of Somerset and his trusty steed Flat-Iron were not sated by death and they showed up my in many battles through history, last being seen at the Battle of Midway in 1942 where appearing in a sea battle in armor on a horse may have been a spectral appearance too far as he has not been seen since.
(It is amazing if one ignores facts as we are prone to do these days how interesting history becomes...)
This is a pretty fascinating story when one uses just the known facts as well. Thanks for sharing.
mark 8)
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Very nice metal!!!
BG Christian