Banner Lothringen

[Christoph]

Just another small thing about the banner Hannibal showed: it showes the cross of Jerusalem, with René  II. intecreated in his coat of arms, when his grandfather René I. (le bon roi René) died in 1480. So I would not use this cross on René's banner for the burgundy war which ended in 1477.


Christoph

[Christoph]

Hello Sandor,
Normally for that time the reverse side shows the same but mirrowed. Burgundy banners even had the writting mirrowed (I was told by Mr Lehnart when I asked him about besause I didn't found any scource for that)


The discription of Blum may be a mistake. Rene joined the swiss at Murten with 300 mounted men at arms. Together with some other mounted troops from Alsace and Austria they made up a ca. 1000 strong body of horsemen which attacked the burgundy between the swiss advace guard and their main battle


Christoph

[snagy]

So this is what I could make out of it (Annuntiatio)!





Actually - taking into the consideration also the small dimensions - it is not a really pattern for 30 mm figure.
Anyway, it was quite a challenge for my skillset.


However I would have two more questions to find answers:


1. According to my knowledge the duke of Lorraine (Renee II. von Lothringen) joined Louis XI. in 1474, consequently he should have fought against Karl der Kühne in the battle of Murten in 1476. In spite of this in Blum's Schlacht bei Murten set the naming of the figure is: "Berittener Burgunder, Banner Lothringen" (mounted burgund knight with the banner Lorraine). Maybe it is a mistake?


2. What could have been on the reverse side of the banner?


Any ideas?
Have a nice evening!
Sandor

[snagy]

Thank you for the help, Michel!
Sandor

[Hannibal]

not easy to find on the net without consulting physical archives

[Hannibal]

but .... is this not a flat of 30mm size ? with a flag or less than 2 cm, looked at after without electronic microscope, to verify the colour of the eyes of the characters on the flag
    (I'm joking of course but shall search too)

[snagy]

Friends,

I would need a better picture - or a picture of a painted figure - of the Banner Lothringen, see below:



 
I could hunt up only this above depiction but here the colors and the layout is quite vague - hope there is existing a better rendition.


I would need the info for the paintwork of figure MU 167 of series Schlacht of Murten:





Thank you!
Have a nice weekend!!


Sandor