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Title: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Brian on December 30, 2018, 05:07:35 AM

Flats Mexico have released their first figure  "Diogenes"   75mm
Will be trying to get a hand full to sell here in the UK, if your interested  in getting one from 2D just let us know or direct from Mexico from   Flats Mexico on face book


       


Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Hannibal on December 30, 2018, 07:55:03 AM
List me as first candidate Brian !
Diogenes has always been a fascinating character since I was 16...
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Brian on December 30, 2018, 12:05:33 PM

Just had word from Flats Mexico and the figure 40 USD plus 5 for post
Total 45 USD 
Size is   12.5 X 9 cm 
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Hannibal on December 30, 2018, 02:51:59 PM
meaning some 39 euros total.

Can we pay in euros?  If Donald imposes an embargo on Mexico, we would be condemned to billions of dollars for using his money for the transaction... I wish to avoid using dollars ...
1 peso (MXN) is 0.04444 €
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: PJDeluhery on December 30, 2018, 03:34:37 PM
I like the figure, Brian. Will keep it in mind for the future. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Brian on January 10, 2019, 03:17:28 AM
So just Michel and myself, to make it easier payment was to be made to me and I pay Flats Mexico as one lump, Will give it another few days before ordering to give you a chance of being added to the list  ;)   
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Hannibal on January 10, 2019, 04:40:34 AM
Let me known Brian, as you are using another strange money than here ... (it will cost me a lot with three currencies conversions in this transaction!)
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Brian on January 10, 2019, 05:22:44 AM
No!! No!!   Michel you pay me with paypal  at 37.00 pounds and I do the rest, pay the guys out in Mexico and get the figure to you by post from me, easy!!! 
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Trostzinn on January 10, 2019, 06:27:14 AM
Hello friends,
sorry but the figure is too expensive for this size and also for the quality with 40 US dollars!
There are a lot of details missing and the relief is not very nice.
Would have been a nice character anyway, I do not understand why on a whole plate ??
Great idea but actually could have done better!

Sorry is my opinion

Andreas
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Brian on January 10, 2019, 08:39:05 AM

Sorry but have to agree, the plaque (it's not a flat) is for reference, a lot of the detail will have to be added with the brush.
Price also is high! it's their first figure so maybe some advice is needed
post your thoughts and I'll pass it on.   
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Hannibal on January 10, 2019, 09:59:02 AM
Yes indeed, expensive as flat, probably flats are also in Europe too cheap against round figures too !!!
Remember that the cost of engraving is high and must be spread over a rathr smll amount of flat pièces ..  I presume that in Mexico, Diogenes is not one of their favorite heroes !!!!

I also noticed that engraving has some gaps, but like miniatures and some flats in epoy resin here freedom is given to the painter, instead of helping the painter to remove and degree of freedom, as our children had too when colouring their figures books  !!!!

Some vintage painters and judges here in Europe do not accept superfcial engravings of some époxy flats, perhaps because their have too much difficulties to find ther way to paint them; actually more power is actually given to them to initiative, interpretaton and drawing capability !! and should deserve a better rating therefor like those using freehand motives !!

(and best argument also is for these conservative painters, if engraving is not good, the first thing they do is to erase it and paint themselves the détails (such as heraldic, flowers, détails, old age on faces, ....)... or not paint such flat at all.  In ronde-bosse, it is also called 'conversion, transformation' ....
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Brian on January 11, 2019, 05:18:48 AM
Okay the guys in Mexico have asked for advice, the figure is not selling well and I have my ideas ( price!! )  but what do you think?   
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: PJDeluhery on January 11, 2019, 10:19:44 AM
I agree with Andreas. That said, it's a good first effort, and I hope we can encourage further work.


They might want to look at this site for ideas on techniques. We have some very talented people here turning out some pretty amazing flats on a one-off or limited production basis.


I wish our Mexican brethren success in their new venture. 
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Brian on January 12, 2019, 08:04:07 AM
Thanks Pat, but no one else have an opinion? 
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: gerhard on January 12, 2019, 09:01:15 AM
It is interesting that the first Mexican "flat" presents no mexican Topic. It would be more interesting if they cover Mexican History or folk live.Well, it is not really a flat, but it is maybe not selling well, because of the price AND the topic.
Mexico is a big country, with a rich history. So I think, next time it could be far more interesting to make a original mexican figure (or series).Diogenes was made before.
I agree with Andreas Trost about the quality. But its a first effort. So it is quite well.
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Brian on January 12, 2019, 09:29:21 AM

Thanks, it's the points I've already made to them "Price" and "Subject"
Detail their happy with and say it's good, it's the photo that's poor?
anyway a figure is being sent for us to have a look at  ::)   
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Hannibal on January 12, 2019, 12:26:37 PM
I'm curious to see it with my eyes ... and subject interests me: Greece is the birthplace of my culture and the platonician philosophy.

But I agree fully with Gerhart, subject could more be on Mexican History, targeting Mexico, Spain, Portugal markets, (perhaps not a good period for United States today with the Wall?), but mexican markt is perhps weak with flats, like Turkey is too (Sherhan Oflas) whch is perhaps the issue...

I remember some nice flats created by Quadriconcept in 75mm several years ago - the seven flats of Central America civilization, AC1 to AC7) !!
Mexican and Sout American civilizations were great periods they should be proud of, even it totally spoiled by Europeans and christians, but it was the destiny of Egypt, North America, Africa too and some subjects like Egypt became quiet successful as subjects, although much older.......

Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Joerg on January 13, 2019, 06:21:06 AM
What I can see, a key problem is the lack of sculpture:
neither the dogs, nor the Diogenes or the flags have a kind of "inner profile".
I would recommend a look at the work of Rafa or Ken Farrar to see how faces and body have folds and so on.
I know, it is highly heratic, but - painting flats is a kind of high standard colouring book - the figure itself gives us the tip, where to place what colour,
shadow, highlight, structure.
Often enough very good painters ignore these hints, but the very good painters could paint a plain surface too.
For all the others,  "structure" in the figure is substantial for acceptance. Just the outlining is not enough.
(And even the "structure" does not guarantee, that the figure is loved by collectrors.

Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Grey Wolf on January 13, 2019, 07:12:29 AM
Personal, i think it's not that bad for a first flat.
i have followed the creation of it on FB, it's a flat created as a positive and afterwards been molded.
using this Technic my self i now how difficult it is to create small detail an structure to the figure.
The lack of sculpture on the inside is a personal opinion, some need guidelines for other its not that imported.


one the other side is the price not in reference with that what customers suspecting from a flat of such qualities     
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Hannibal on January 13, 2019, 07:16:51 AM
Let us try it
Brian, paied by Paypal
Michel
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Brian on January 13, 2019, 01:49:28 PM

Things have changed,  The guys in Mexico are reconsidering the figure and at the moment it will not be available.
Michel, I have sent your money back as a refund and will let you know if we can get the figure.
 
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Hannibal on January 13, 2019, 04:16:25 PM
ok brian!
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Trostzinn on January 19, 2019, 08:30:56 AM
Hello Friends
I think for the price of such a figure that is a poor performance. I expect more from the engraving.
there is a lot of work in such a figure but this one is just not nice.
I also buy no pewter figures to grind them and then to paint, because you can also make paper figures
in our figures it depends on the engraving !!
especially if it's the first one that must be great

my opinion
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Gerald on January 20, 2019, 01:19:50 AM
We are to spoiled in Europe, especially in Germany. Many very well engraved flat figures for little money.
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Brian on January 20, 2019, 03:07:11 AM

Yes this is one of the problems,  no slate engraves in the Americas  :(


You want a figure you make it the best you can!



Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Erich on January 20, 2019, 12:13:58 PM
I agree with Gerald.  We are spoiled. May the price for the figure from Mexico be too high, I can only say that a price of 1 Euro for a normal foot figure is too less and will not encourage anyone to edit new figures.

Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: gerhard on January 21, 2019, 01:50:14 AM
Look at the 1/72 resin figures that are on the "market". Average cost is 3 Euro per figure. It seems there is some interest in those figures. So, flats are too cheap.
The reason may be, that flats still are considered as mass figures. Old collectors painted them without lights and shadows to build dioramaswith hundreds (or thousands of figures).Nowadays painting ist an art. So, if the quality is high, it should no problem to increase the prices on a realistic (and fair) amount.
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Brian on February 23, 2019, 05:09:16 AM

Just received the figure from the guys in Mexico, and boy there's a lot of tin and the weight is high, at first look the detail is very good but I'll tell you more as I get some paint on  ;)


Figure is still unavailable but we could always see if one is still ready to post, it will not be cheap though  ::)     
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Brian on February 25, 2019, 06:20:17 AM

A photo or two

Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Brian on February 28, 2019, 04:26:34 AM
Not finished yet but on it's way!!
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Gerald on March 23, 2019, 01:33:28 AM
It is a very good job of you. It will be very nice.
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Brian on June 30, 2019, 06:16:26 AM
Painted by Augusto Zamudio (https://www.facebook.com/augusto.zamudio.1?fref=gs&__tn__=%2CdKH-R-R&eid=ARBs7hq_stAQz3TarJxJ4QmY5LcduWMmJbCEtvGL5RdzURYigDsZiB0up3zvlAWEIVxoVwhhEJ8w1mKs&dti=926739484145618&hc_location=group)
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Hannibal on June 30, 2019, 07:45:04 AM
It looks like a painting of the XVI-XVIIth c.... from our old masters
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: gerhard on June 30, 2019, 07:49:24 AM
It ist the painting of a master. Beautiful und real art. But it is no flat figure. It is relief art. Very nice, but Flat Figures should be figures IMHO.
Title: Re: Flats Mexico's first
Post by: Brian on June 30, 2019, 10:45:49 AM
Agree! not a flat but lovely painting  ;)