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Flat Figures Painters Forum => News => Topic started by: Brian on December 30, 2018, 05:07:35 AM
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Flats Mexico have released their first figure "Diogenes" 75mm
Will be trying to get a hand full to sell here in the UK, if your interested in getting one from 2D just let us know or direct from Mexico from Flats Mexico on face book
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List me as first candidate Brian !
Diogenes has always been a fascinating character since I was 16...
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Just had word from Flats Mexico and the figure 40 USD plus 5 for post
Total 45 USD
Size is 12.5 X 9 cm
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meaning some 39 euros total.
Can we pay in euros? If Donald imposes an embargo on Mexico, we would be condemned to billions of dollars for using his money for the transaction... I wish to avoid using dollars ...
1 peso (MXN) is 0.04444 €
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I like the figure, Brian. Will keep it in mind for the future. Thanks for sharing.
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So just Michel and myself, to make it easier payment was to be made to me and I pay Flats Mexico as one lump, Will give it another few days before ordering to give you a chance of being added to the list ;)
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Let me known Brian, as you are using another strange money than here ... (it will cost me a lot with three currencies conversions in this transaction!)
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No!! No!! Michel you pay me with paypal at 37.00 pounds and I do the rest, pay the guys out in Mexico and get the figure to you by post from me, easy!!!
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Hello friends,
sorry but the figure is too expensive for this size and also for the quality with 40 US dollars!
There are a lot of details missing and the relief is not very nice.
Would have been a nice character anyway, I do not understand why on a whole plate ??
Great idea but actually could have done better!
Sorry is my opinion
Andreas
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Sorry but have to agree, the plaque (it's not a flat) is for reference, a lot of the detail will have to be added with the brush.
Price also is high! it's their first figure so maybe some advice is needed
post your thoughts and I'll pass it on.
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Yes indeed, expensive as flat, probably flats are also in Europe too cheap against round figures too !!!
Remember that the cost of engraving is high and must be spread over a rathr smll amount of flat pièces .. I presume that in Mexico, Diogenes is not one of their favorite heroes !!!!
I also noticed that engraving has some gaps, but like miniatures and some flats in epoy resin here freedom is given to the painter, instead of helping the painter to remove and degree of freedom, as our children had too when colouring their figures books !!!!
Some vintage painters and judges here in Europe do not accept superfcial engravings of some époxy flats, perhaps because their have too much difficulties to find ther way to paint them; actually more power is actually given to them to initiative, interpretaton and drawing capability !! and should deserve a better rating therefor like those using freehand motives !!
(and best argument also is for these conservative painters, if engraving is not good, the first thing they do is to erase it and paint themselves the détails (such as heraldic, flowers, détails, old age on faces, ....)... or not paint such flat at all. In ronde-bosse, it is also called 'conversion, transformation' ....
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Okay the guys in Mexico have asked for advice, the figure is not selling well and I have my ideas ( price!! ) but what do you think?
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I agree with Andreas. That said, it's a good first effort, and I hope we can encourage further work.
They might want to look at this site for ideas on techniques. We have some very talented people here turning out some pretty amazing flats on a one-off or limited production basis.
I wish our Mexican brethren success in their new venture.
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Thanks Pat, but no one else have an opinion?
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It is interesting that the first Mexican "flat" presents no mexican Topic. It would be more interesting if they cover Mexican History or folk live.Well, it is not really a flat, but it is maybe not selling well, because of the price AND the topic.
Mexico is a big country, with a rich history. So I think, next time it could be far more interesting to make a original mexican figure (or series).Diogenes was made before.
I agree with Andreas Trost about the quality. But its a first effort. So it is quite well.
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Thanks, it's the points I've already made to them "Price" and "Subject"
Detail their happy with and say it's good, it's the photo that's poor?
anyway a figure is being sent for us to have a look at ::)
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I'm curious to see it with my eyes ... and subject interests me: Greece is the birthplace of my culture and the platonician philosophy.
But I agree fully with Gerhart, subject could more be on Mexican History, targeting Mexico, Spain, Portugal markets, (perhaps not a good period for United States today with the Wall?), but mexican markt is perhps weak with flats, like Turkey is too (Sherhan Oflas) whch is perhaps the issue...
I remember some nice flats created by Quadriconcept in 75mm several years ago - the seven flats of Central America civilization, AC1 to AC7) !!
Mexican and Sout American civilizations were great periods they should be proud of, even it totally spoiled by Europeans and christians, but it was the destiny of Egypt, North America, Africa too and some subjects like Egypt became quiet successful as subjects, although much older.......
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What I can see, a key problem is the lack of sculpture:
neither the dogs, nor the Diogenes or the flags have a kind of "inner profile".
I would recommend a look at the work of Rafa or Ken Farrar to see how faces and body have folds and so on.
I know, it is highly heratic, but - painting flats is a kind of high standard colouring book - the figure itself gives us the tip, where to place what colour,
shadow, highlight, structure.
Often enough very good painters ignore these hints, but the very good painters could paint a plain surface too.
For all the others, "structure" in the figure is substantial for acceptance. Just the outlining is not enough.
(And even the "structure" does not guarantee, that the figure is loved by collectrors.
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Personal, i think it's not that bad for a first flat.
i have followed the creation of it on FB, it's a flat created as a positive and afterwards been molded.
using this Technic my self i now how difficult it is to create small detail an structure to the figure.
The lack of sculpture on the inside is a personal opinion, some need guidelines for other its not that imported.
one the other side is the price not in reference with that what customers suspecting from a flat of such qualities
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Let us try it
Brian, paied by Paypal
Michel
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Things have changed, The guys in Mexico are reconsidering the figure and at the moment it will not be available.
Michel, I have sent your money back as a refund and will let you know if we can get the figure.
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ok brian!
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Hello Friends
I think for the price of such a figure that is a poor performance. I expect more from the engraving.
there is a lot of work in such a figure but this one is just not nice.
I also buy no pewter figures to grind them and then to paint, because you can also make paper figures
in our figures it depends on the engraving !!
especially if it's the first one that must be great
my opinion
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We are to spoiled in Europe, especially in Germany. Many very well engraved flat figures for little money.
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Yes this is one of the problems, no slate engraves in the Americas :(
You want a figure you make it the best you can!
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I agree with Gerald. We are spoiled. May the price for the figure from Mexico be too high, I can only say that a price of 1 Euro for a normal foot figure is too less and will not encourage anyone to edit new figures.
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Look at the 1/72 resin figures that are on the "market". Average cost is 3 Euro per figure. It seems there is some interest in those figures. So, flats are too cheap.
The reason may be, that flats still are considered as mass figures. Old collectors painted them without lights and shadows to build dioramaswith hundreds (or thousands of figures).Nowadays painting ist an art. So, if the quality is high, it should no problem to increase the prices on a realistic (and fair) amount.
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Just received the figure from the guys in Mexico, and boy there's a lot of tin and the weight is high, at first look the detail is very good but I'll tell you more as I get some paint on ;)
Figure is still unavailable but we could always see if one is still ready to post, it will not be cheap though ::)
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A photo or two
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Not finished yet but on it's way!!
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It is a very good job of you. It will be very nice.
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Painted by Augusto Zamudio (https://www.facebook.com/augusto.zamudio.1?fref=gs&__tn__=%2CdKH-R-R&eid=ARBs7hq_stAQz3TarJxJ4QmY5LcduWMmJbCEtvGL5RdzURYigDsZiB0up3zvlAWEIVxoVwhhEJ8w1mKs&dti=926739484145618&hc_location=group)
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It looks like a painting of the XVI-XVIIth c.... from our old masters
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It ist the painting of a master. Beautiful und real art. But it is no flat figure. It is relief art. Very nice, but Flat Figures should be figures IMHO.
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Agree! not a flat but lovely painting ;)