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Title: Horsemen around 1500
Post by: Christoph on April 27, 2020, 03:15:52 AM
Hello,
I started to paint some figures I bought at Kulmbach last year from Mr. Mineur

Showing horsemen from south Germany around 1500.
Some of them carrying lances. In battle they were used to support the more heavier armoured knight.
The other armed with crossbows. There is a report by Williebald Prickheimer who fought in the  Schwabian war in 1499. He wrote that mounted crossbowmen shoot into the ranks of the enemy footsoldiers before the lancers attack.

Christoph


(https://abload.de/img/20042401cjjtp.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20042401cjjtp.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/20042402lwjvl.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20042402lwjvl.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/20042403lnkvw.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20042403lnkvw.jpg)
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Post by: Hannibal on April 27, 2020, 03:43:35 AM

Horses are very nicely painted !!!!


What is interesting with these larges pictures is to see the details and subtile colours used.
But what is also nice is to zoom out the pictures until the size is back to 30mm for the soldier, to appreciate the effect 'at normal eyes size" …    (perhaps picture slightly too dark)


Congratulations, it is always a pleasure to see your painting, Christoph ….
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Post by: snagy on April 27, 2020, 03:57:24 AM
Nice work again, Christoph!
According to Michel's advice, I tried out the size-reduction of the pictures, to "normal"  30 mm vision, and the effect is very interesting.
Propose to try it to everyone, the effect/outlooks of the figures is/are quite different!
Sandor
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Post by: archigrog on April 27, 2020, 04:01:04 AM
Very nice work as usual, Christoph!

Your paint style, is very interesting for  30mm scale!

Claudio
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Post by: Christoph on April 27, 2020, 06:02:32 AM
Thank you.

here are the pictures close to 30mm size. So you don´t have to do it your self.
The large scale pictures are very good to learn about how other painters work.

Christoph

(https://abload.de/img/20042401_30g9j6n.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20042401_30g9j6n.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/20042402_305wkdc.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20042402_305wkdc.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/20042403_30rfjul.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20042403_30rfjul.jpg)
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Post by: snagy on April 27, 2020, 08:36:15 AM
Yes, this size shows how meticulous work you performed.
Excellent!!
Sandor
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Post by: merlino on April 27, 2020, 11:31:07 AM
very well done!
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Post by: Christian on April 27, 2020, 02:49:11 PM
Puhhh...


Painting, Painting, Painting, well done Christoph!


BG

Christian
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Post by: Christoph on May 01, 2020, 07:52:41 AM
Yes, Christian, painting, painting, painting, day and night...

Here are the next few:

(https://abload.de/img/20050101m0jbo.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20050101m0jbo.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/20050102k7jw8.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20050102k7jw8.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/20050103j0js0.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20050103j0js0.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/200501041uj75.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=200501041uj75.jpg)
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Post by: snagy on May 01, 2020, 09:32:11 AM
Very nice, Chistoph - but one has to reduce the screen to about 60 % to see their real beauty!!
Have a fine rest in the long-weekend!!
 ;)
Sandor
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Post by: Christoph on May 01, 2020, 10:19:23 AM
Okay, next time only small pictures!
Yes a nice long weekend to all. Let´s see on monday what you have painted!

(https://abload.de/img/20050101_30jmjsw.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20050101_30jmjsw.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/20050102_309tjuq.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20050102_309tjuq.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/20050103_30mbjea.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20050103_30mbjea.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/20050104_30m0kif.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20050104_30m0kif.jpg)

Christoph


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Post by: Christoph on May 08, 2020, 02:50:13 AM
Here are the next figures,
Christoph

(https://abload.de/img/20050701_new20kwz.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20050701_new20kwz.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/20050702_newvjjoi.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20050702_newvjjoi.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/20050703_newhojni.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20050703_newhojni.jpg)
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Post by: snagy on May 08, 2020, 08:19:39 AM
Very nice paintwork!!
The banner is a Burgundian one?
Sandor
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Post by: Christoph on May 09, 2020, 04:37:39 AM
Thank You Sandor,
The banner is one of Maximilian I. but uses the burgundian elements. Maximilian was the son in law of Charles the bold and with him the burgundian cross become the sign of the troops of the Habsburger rulers in Germany and Spain. I´m not sure but I think it´s still in use today in the spanish army.

Christoph
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Post by: Christian on May 09, 2020, 03:36:24 PM
Nice works, Christoph!!!!


Bg Christian
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Post by: Christoph on May 14, 2020, 12:37:59 PM
Here´s another one.

Christoph

(https://abload.de/img/20051401_newzzjgp.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20051401_newzzjgp.jpg)
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Post by: Christoph on May 15, 2020, 12:40:57 PM
So, now I´m finish with this set.
The figures are really nice engraved and a fun to paint!


Christoph

(https://abload.de/img/20051501_new6njc5.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20051501_new6njc5.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/20051502_newdkj07.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20051502_newdkj07.jpg)
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Post by: errant49 on May 15, 2020, 01:03:24 PM
Once again a very impressive set !
Eric
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Post by: snagy on May 16, 2020, 12:30:09 AM
So the company came together!!!
An impressive band!
 :o
Sandor
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Post by: archigrog on May 16, 2020, 12:54:42 AM
Impressive!!! and Cool!!!
My Compliments,

Claudio
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Post by: Christian on May 16, 2020, 01:19:49 PM
Wonderful group!


BG Christian
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Post by: Christoph on June 08, 2020, 03:52:15 AM
Hello,
here are some more figures, this time by different editors, but I think these figures will add well together with figures edited by Mr Mineur.
The fourth and the seventh from left edited by Stefan Koss.

Christoph
(https://abload.de/img/20060801iijq7.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20060801iijq7.jpg)
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Post by: Christian on June 08, 2020, 04:30:03 AM
Nice, nice, nice!!!


Like the metal,


Bg Christian
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Post by: merlino on June 08, 2020, 06:17:49 AM
Very nice works!
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Post by: Christoph on July 03, 2020, 09:23:50 AM
Hello,
from time to time I painted some figures for this project, so here the last figures.
Christoph

(https://abload.de/img/20070301x8jfh.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20070301x8jfh.jpg)
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Post by: Christoph on July 24, 2020, 09:16:47 AM
Here is the next one.
This time a banner is included. It is based on an illustration in the Schilling chronical of Luzern from around 1513.

Christoph

(https://abload.de/img/20072401tjkhm.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20072401tjkhm.jpg)
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Post by: Christian on July 24, 2020, 06:03:38 PM
Excellent work, Christoph!!!!


Like it very much!


BG Christian
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Post by: archigrog on July 26, 2020, 12:58:05 AM
Very nice Christoph!

Claudio
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Post by: Brian on July 26, 2020, 05:09:36 AM
Again, very good !   well done and keep them coming  :) 
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Post by: snagy on July 27, 2020, 12:25:29 AM
I also like it, Cristoph!
It is a Burgundian standard, isn't it?
Sandor
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Post by: Christoph on July 27, 2020, 06:43:27 AM
Thank you.

@Sandor: You are right with the banner in some parts. The elements are Burgundy but it is a German Imperialist banner from the reign of Maximilian I. around 1500. When Maximilian married Mary of Burgundy (daugther of Charles the Bold) in 1477 he took over the heraldic signs of Burgundy and used them by himself.
He also took over what was left of Charles ordonnance companies and formed a unit of heavy horsemen called the "Welsche Garde" (the "foreign guard" in modern english, which means that the members of this unit not came from German countries). The Welsche Garde served for example in the Schwabenkrieg 1499 in South German and the Swiss.

In the Schilling Chronicle of Luzern a banner of this kind is shown two times in connection with the Schwabenkrieg and the treachery of Novara in 1500. Other Banners of this kind but without colours are shown in the book "Weisskunig" which tells about the live of Emperator Maximilian I.


Christoph   
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Post by: snagy on July 29, 2020, 02:37:09 AM
Thank you for the information, Christoph!
Have a nice day!!!
 :D
Sandor
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Post by: Christoph on August 30, 2020, 03:52:16 AM
Hello,
I´m still working on this. So here is a trumpeter I painted last week:

(https://abload.de/img/20082801_new0sjzk.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20082801_new0sjzk.jpg)
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Post by: Grimm on August 30, 2020, 09:24:11 AM
Nice painting.
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Post by: Christian on August 30, 2020, 11:03:37 AM
Well done!
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Post by: snagy on August 31, 2020, 01:50:45 AM
Nice work, Cristoph!
Sandor
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Post by: Hannibal on August 31, 2020, 04:22:40 AM
Beautiful painting;
Your style of colorization has given definitively a personalized signature to these series, and which should receive a particular name or adjective.


Any proposal from the community?   because it belongs to you Christoph!
Title: Re: Horsemen around 1500
Post by: Christoph on August 31, 2020, 06:28:16 AM
Thank you all.


No idea for a name for that painting style, it´s just the way I paint. So if you like to name it go on and we´ll see what comes out.


Christoph
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Post by: Christoph on September 03, 2020, 12:20:26 PM
Hello,
here is a picture of the last group I painted for that.
Christoph

(https://abload.de/img/20090301_new62kta.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20090301_new62kta.jpg)
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Post by: snagy on September 04, 2020, 12:33:43 AM
Bravo!!!
Sandor
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Post by: Brian on September 05, 2020, 04:51:34 AM
Very well done  ;)
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Post by: Christoph on September 06, 2020, 05:18:39 AM
Thank you!

Christoph
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Post by: Christian on September 09, 2020, 03:43:13 PM
Great, Christoph!!!


BG Christian
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Post by: Vitruve on September 10, 2020, 05:06:28 PM
very nice
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Post by: Christoph on October 18, 2020, 04:54:28 AM
Hello,
last week I got some more newly engraved figures for this projekt from Stefan Koss from Vienna. So here are the first for I painted.
Christoph


(https://abload.de/img/20101701_new62k8s.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20101701_new62k8s.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/20101702_new3zk49.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20101702_new3zk49.jpg)
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Post by: snagy on October 18, 2020, 08:50:40 AM
Nice paintwork, Christoph!
I am also in correspondence with Mr. Koss: sooner or later I shall also receive my orders.
It will be interesting to see the same figures painted by you and painted by me!
Best wishes-
Sandor

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Post by: Christoph on October 18, 2020, 09:34:36 AM
That´s nice to hear!
Looking forward to see your painting.
Christoph
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Post by: johnr on October 18, 2020, 12:46:42 PM
Very nice.

John
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Post by: Christoph on October 25, 2020, 04:14:23 AM
Hello,
here is a picture of tsome Stoll figures I have painted some years ago. But I think it fits into this topic well.

The banner shows the arms of the Markgraf of Baden.

Christoph

(https://abload.de/img/20102501_newn8jow.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20102501_newn8jow.jpg)
 
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Post by: Vitruve on October 25, 2020, 10:48:03 AM
very nice job
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Post by: zinnmartina on October 30, 2020, 05:19:22 AM
Very nice.It must be a great collection or army.
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Post by: archigrog on October 30, 2020, 11:21:05 AM
Very nice paintjob!
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Post by: Christoph on November 28, 2020, 01:01:36 PM
Hello,
here is another on for this.
Christoph

(https://abload.de/img/20112802_newanjkm.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20112802_newanjkm.jpg)
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Post by: Hannibal on November 28, 2020, 02:15:54 PM
as usual, wonderful painting, clean, very readible with the lining, clear, recognizable.


One suggestion perhaps ?: to distinguish the grey clothes from the metallic armour, you could apply some lightspots at brighest points of the metal ?
example below as attempt ....


(https://i87.servimg.com/u/f87/19/31/59/25/20112810.jpg)(https://i87.servimg.com/u/f87/19/31/59/25/20101710.jpg)


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Post by: Christoph on December 06, 2020, 04:34:24 AM
Hello,
I tried, but it looks like I didn´t get this right in my painting light.
Maybe this one is a bit better.

Christoph

(https://abload.de/img/20120502_new7okpf.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=20120502_new7okpf.jpg)


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Post by: Hannibal on December 06, 2020, 07:49:57 AM
Hallo Christoph,
Good attempt, but still insufficient for the following reasons, I think:
a) The spot lights are not white but light blue, still to reflect shining
b) The blue of the coat and the blue you use for the metal, are the same, keeping confusion between metal and clothes, and coat of arms : shey should better be distinct (like a cobalt blue for clothes for example)
c) the large blue coat worn by the knight over the armour has borders white, therefore looking like shiny, which confuses with metal. They should better be light blue and metal shiny pure white = metal have a colour different from clothing


I tried to adjust my thoughts in a drawing (increasing file size to do, then reducing back to smaller size), only to illustrate my comments.


(https://i87.servimg.com/u/f87/19/31/59/25/20120510.jpg)


But is was only a suggestion, don't feel committed to go further as I would myself.
Michel
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Post by: Christoph on January 07, 2021, 08:07:34 AM
Hello,
lockdown again I painted some more figures.

The first is a newly edited knight by Mr. Mineur.

(https://abload.de/img/21010201_neweqkup.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=21010201_neweqkup.jpg)


The next one is a mounted crossbowman also from Mr. Mineur. I did some changes by using "green stuff". The original figure can be seen on the rigth. I changed the helmet into a sallet and reworked the shoulders.

(https://abload.de/img/21010301_newwlk6i.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=21010301_newwlk6i.jpg)


Christoph

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Post by: Hannibal on January 07, 2021, 08:49:42 AM
Super work !
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Post by: John Alberts on January 07, 2021, 09:31:24 AM
Thank you for sharing the exceptional work.  Nice vision and craftsmanship to create unique pieces.  Beautiful painting.
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Post by: snagy on January 07, 2021, 12:17:30 PM
They are high level works, as usual!
Thank you for showing them!
Sandor
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Post by: archigrog on January 07, 2021, 03:55:00 PM
Wonderful flats Christoph!

My Compliments

Claudio
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Post by: Christian on January 10, 2021, 04:46:22 PM
Well done, Christoph!!!!


BG Christian
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Post by: Joerg on January 16, 2021, 07:28:31 AM
@Christoph,  I do not want to crash your thread,
but you have the right headline.

A rider, who fits just beneath that line.
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Post by: Christoph on January 16, 2021, 07:53:40 AM
Hello Jörg,
no problem.
Nice effects with the gold on the armour!
Who ist the editor of this figure? Carl?

Here is a picture of the knights from Mr. Fechner, I mentioned in Snagys post.

Christoph



(https://abload.de/img/21011601_newr3jwi.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=21011601_newr3jwi.jpg)
 
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Post by: Joerg on January 16, 2021, 08:04:20 AM
Hello Christoph,
yes, the figure is from Carl / Cortum.
I removed his lance, that' why I can him only show from the back.
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Post by: John Alberts on January 16, 2021, 10:59:19 AM
Very nice additions, what lieges are the knights connected to?  Or what region of Europe are the subjects from?
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Post by: Christoph on January 16, 2021, 12:15:48 PM
@ John: The horsemen on the picture are not really heavy armed knights. they are more what was know as "Reisiger" or "Coustillier". Wearing lighter armour and the horses are mostly unarmoured.

The two middle figures are wearing german sallets. But this type of helmet was used in other parts of Europe as well. I paint them without any special sign for a certain nation but will use them as germans.

@ Jörg: okay, the missing lance confused me, now I know which figure it is.
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Post by: John Alberts on January 16, 2021, 01:44:54 PM
Thank you!  Fascinating period and flats . . .